: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:06 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Do you want decisions made immediately or do you want them made right?

Do they have to be mutually exclusive concepts?

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:16 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Do they have to be mutually exclusive concepts?

No, but there needs to be an acceptance that they are not always going to be the same thing either. I've no problems with fans wanting decisions made on the spot, providing they are prepared to accept that the numerous video replays we are subjected to by broadcasters will show some of them up to be wrong.

Experience would suggest however that fans have unrealistic expectations of match officials.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:19 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

No, but there needs to be an acceptance that they are not always going to be the same thing either. I've no problems with fans wanting decisions made on the spot, providing they are prepared to accept that the numerous video replays we are subjected to by broadcasters will show some of them up to be wrong.

Experience would suggest however that fans have unrealistic expectations of match officials.

Is it unrealsitic to want consistent decisions within the same game???????
In games such as semi's and finals i've no problem using the video refs as many times as they want as long the decisions are clear and correct.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:23 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

Is it unrealsitic to want consistent decisions within the same game???????.

Define "consistent".

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:28 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Define "consistent".

Well if they are penalising the ptb area in a certain game i'd expect BOTH teams to be penalised,the same with goal line defence and moving off the mark etc.
I accept they will make mistakes ive no problem with that but what is annoying is one team getting penalised when the opposition get away with exactly the same thing it's hapening far too often imo and needs eradicating.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:31 pm  

rhinoms wrote:

Well if they are penalising the ptb area in a certain game i'd expect BOTH teams to be penalised,the same with goal line defence and moving off the mark etc.
I accept they will make mistakes ive no problem with that but what is annoying is one team getting penalised when the opposition get away with exactly the same thing it's hapening far too often imo and needs eradicating.

With all due respect, that's complete one-eyed cobblers.

I've yet to see a game this season where a referee has repeatedly penalised one side for an offence and not applied the same criteria to the other. Would any of the examples you have in mind happen to involve Leeds being on the wrong end of the penalty count, by any chance?

Say what you like about the quality of refs, but making barely shrouded accusations of bias is out of order IMO.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:39 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

With all due respect, that's complete one-eyed cobblers.

I've yet to see a game this season where a referee has repeatedly penalised one side for an offence and not applied the same criteria to the other. Would any of the examples you have in mind happen to involve Leeds being on the wrong end of the penalty count, by any chance?

Say what you like about the quality of refs, but making barely shrouded accusations of bias is out of order IMO.

Did you see the game yesterday????????
If so then you'll of seen the giants penalised 3/4 times for offside defending their goal line then at the other end saints were doing it ALL the time.
Now call it cobblers or whatever it happened and guess what it had nothing to do with leeds either

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:43 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Do you want decisions made immediately or do you want them made right?

Persoanlly I'd like to see a balance somewhere between the two. I would accept a slightly higher risk of getting a few marginal decisions wrong if it meant not having so many long stoppages where frame-by-frame footage is scrutinised. I don't particularly want to watch a game where every decision is correct if it's at the expense of having to wait 2 or 3 minutes to award every try.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:46 pm  

Away from the try line St Helens conceded plenty of offside penalties themselves and probably lost the penalty count overall.

I thought Silverwood had a good game apart from the Graham punch at the play the ball in the lead up St Helens first half try.

One man happy after his team got beat at the weekend should be Steve Ganson though. He now gets the final without the controversy of last year.

: Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:47 pm  

tvoc wrote:

Away from the try line St Helens conceded plenty of offside penalties themselves and probably lost the penalty count overall.

I thought Silverwood had a good game apart from the Graham punch at the play the ball in the lead up St Helens first half try.

One man happy after his team got beat at the weekend should be Steve Ganson though. He now gets the final without the controversy of last year.

Not if they give it to the "best" ref on form he won't!