Re: Matt Parcell : Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:56 pm  

I get and agree that us and others are lucky somewhat that Wigan have been injury hit. I don't get the bit about Saints though, pretty much been where I thought they'd be, no fortune at all involved us being above them imo.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:52 am  

Saints early season were more injury hit than anyone has been. Never really recovered from it.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 7:56 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Gotcha - what we saw from 2012 to 2015 was either the most successful 4-year period in the history of the club or the second. So what point are you trying to make - that wholesale changes should have been made in 2011? If so, hindsight shows that until 2015 the club got it spot on.

That is exactly the point made, how something so simple can be so simply misunderstood and misconstrued. It happens on here all the time.

Can posters really not see a difference between succession planning and wholesale changes? It mistifies me, how people can not understand a difference. The succession planning point was what I responded to, and the very point mentioned back in 2011. Wholesale changes are simply something put out to go against it.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:42 am  

Time for Leeds to make him a marquee player.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 8:56 am  

Gotcha wrote:

Saints early season were more injury hit than anyone has been. Never really recovered from it.

No they weren't at all. They had a couple out like most teams but definitely not anything major. Marty Smith missed the start of the year but even on his return he's been a big disappointment and Saints fans argue that he's been their worst signing in a long time.

And they did recover from their start as they were in pole position for a playoff spot after beating Cas week 1 of the 8's, they then lost the next 3 which have left them relying on others losing. They win those 3 they'd be 2nd right now so completely wrong to blame the start.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:06 am  

Gotcha has been over rating the Saints for the past few seasons.

They are around where they should be for me, we are probably over achieving granted and are about the same level as them as a side on the whole. Both teams are a pale shadow of a few years back and wouldn't be near contending for anything pre 2012.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:13 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

Gotcha has been over rating the Saints for the past few seasons.

They are around where they should be for me, we are probably over achieving granted and are about the same level as them as a side on the whole. Both teams are a pale shadow of a few years back and wouldn't be near contending for anything pre 2012.

I may well have thought they would do better this year, but not sure where the over rating other years would come from? I always said their coach was a problem, something they took the right action on earlier this year, and something they will reap the benefits of after a full preseason next year.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:21 am  

Gotcha wrote:

I may well have thought they would do better this year, but not sure where the over rating other years would come from? I always said their coach was a problem, something they took the right action on earlier this year, and something they will reap the benefits of after a full preseason next year.

i recall you including them as an example as a side better than us and further down the road to rebuilding over the last few years although, granted you have said they lack a proper coach at times.

We will see what their new coach brings next year with a full pre season behind him. I'm still of the belief they have average halves, average three quarters and a plodder pack in general.

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:48 am  

average half, average three quarters and a plodder pack.reminds me of us

Re: Matt Parcell : Fri Sep 15, 2017 10:54 am  

Biff Tannen wrote:

i recall you including them as an example as a side better than us and further down the road to rebuilding over the last few years although, granted you have said they lack a proper coach at times.

We will see what their new coach brings next year with a full pre season behind him. I'm still of the belief they have average halves, average three quarters and a plodder pack in general.

It's been said often this year that we'd be nowhere if Parcell and/or Cuthbertson got injured. I think looking at Saints you could've said the same thing for 3 years now with Roby and Walmsley.