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Re: FPN : Wed Feb 21, 2018 7:58 pm  
Suzy Banyon wrote:
So his full wage for this season counts on the cap then?

The way I understand it I think that's the case unless he signs for someone else.

For instance, if we were paying him £100K and then he signed for Castleford and they paid him £50K, then £50K would still count on our cap.
I'm not sure how it works if he moves to the NRL though.
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Re: FPN : Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:18 pm  
TBH it wouldn't matter whether he had played or not, as he is in the top 25 earners, so counts automatically.

Section 3.1.1 of the Salary Cap Rules (Page 268 of the Super League Salary Cap Regulations Guide)

A club's "Players" are:

(a) the 25 Players registered with the club who have the highest Salary Cap values at the time in question, whether or not they have played for the club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match in the Salary Cap Year to that date; and

(b) all other Players at the club who play in a Salary Cap Relevant Match save that Players who: (A) would be age eligible to play at under 21 level in the relevant season (i.e. under 21 on the 31 August preceding the applicable season); and (B) whose Salary Cap value would be £20,000 or less, shall not be caught under this paragraph (for the avoidance of doubt Players who meet these requirements but fall within (a) do count towards a club's aggregate liability).


However, we may only need to declare the wages actually paid to FPN, meaning that if we have released him with no further payment, we should only need to declare the amount paid this year to date (I think) - The declaration of the whole year's wages was to stop players being registered/de-registered or moving to a coaching capacity to get them off the SC.

Additionally, even if we did have to declare a year's worth of wages (which I doubt), we can ask to go over the cap under section 3.1.1 (d), which states

A club may seek prior dispensation in writing to the HDPGS to exceed the Aggregate Liability by a specified. In making a decision, the HDPGS will act reasonably, taking into account one or more of the following factors:

(i) the club's Players being unavailable through injury, absence and/or termination.
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So to my mind, either we only need to declare the value of actual payments made to FPN (1.5 months out of 12), or we declare the lot, but request dispensation to go over the cap by 10.5/12 months, due to the player leaving.

(If anyone's interested/sad enough and can interpret the rules better than I can, take a look at http://www.rugby-league.com/operational-rules-2018/#p=265)
TBH it wouldn't matter whether he had played or not, as he is in the top 25 earners, so counts automatically.

Section 3.1.1 of the Salary Cap Rules (Page 268 of the Super League Salary Cap Regulations Guide)

A club's "Players" are:

(a) the 25 Players registered with the club who have the highest Salary Cap values at the time in question, whether or not they have played for the club in a Salary Cap Relevant Match in the Salary Cap Year to that date; and

(b) all other Players at the club who play in a Salary Cap Relevant Match save that Players who: (A) would be age eligible to play at under 21 level in the relevant season (i.e. under 21 on the 31 August preceding the applicable season); and (B) whose Salary Cap value would be £20,000 or less, shall not be caught under this paragraph (for the avoidance of doubt Players who meet these requirements but fall within (a) do count towards a club's aggregate liability).


However, we may only need to declare the wages actually paid to FPN, meaning that if we have released him with no further payment, we should only need to declare the amount paid this year to date (I think) - The declaration of the whole year's wages was to stop players being registered/de-registered or moving to a coaching capacity to get them off the SC.

Additionally, even if we did have to declare a year's worth of wages (which I doubt), we can ask to go over the cap under section 3.1.1 (d), which states

A club may seek prior dispensation in writing to the HDPGS to exceed the Aggregate Liability by a specified. In making a decision, the HDPGS will act reasonably, taking into account one or more of the following factors:

(i) the club's Players being unavailable through injury, absence and/or termination.
....
....


So to my mind, either we only need to declare the value of actual payments made to FPN (1.5 months out of 12), or we declare the lot, but request dispensation to go over the cap by 10.5/12 months, due to the player leaving.

(If anyone's interested/sad enough and can interpret the rules better than I can, take a look at http://www.rugby-league.com/operational-rules-2018/#p=265)
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Re: FPN : Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:41 pm  
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Whilst he may not have delivered what we all hoped for, I think he’s had more stick than he deserved. Don’t forget that when we suffered the major injury crisis last season, FPN was an ever present in a very often inexperienced side. His performances were steady if not spectacular and I wish him and his family well.


I agree and I thought he had positive impact at the end of 2016 and made a significant contribution to winning the GF. I was looking forward to a big season from him in 2017 but for whatever reason he went backwards and it didn't work out.
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Re: FPN : Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:29 pm  
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I agree and I thought he had positive impact at the end of 2016 and made a significant contribution to winning the GF. I was looking forward to a big season from him in 2017 but for whatever reason he went backwards and it didn't work out.



That’s the story of his career.

Bags of potential, bags of hype, but always after a good start seen his form slip off.
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Re: FPN : Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:06 am  
Suzy Banyon wrote:
So his full wage for this season counts on the cap then?


No

I'm not the best at explain this but it basically splits into12 monthly payments.
Once he has been released then his monthly wage is released assuming we haven't agreed to either pay it in full or part of.

I know this isn't exact but say salary cap was 2.4million then we can pay out 200k per month. If FPN was on 20k pwr month (240k per year) and he left with wigan not paying anymore then we can pay out 20k per month more to players.

Daveo explained this very well once on a previous thread.
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Re: FPN : Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:07 am  
Its to stop teams say spending 400k in the first 4 months of the season then going buying all the top players half way through and paying 2million in the back half of year.
Hope that makes sense.
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