Re: Rumours thread : Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:55 pm  

In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.

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Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:57 am  

Start@1873 wrote:

In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.

I don't think we are watching the same player.
When playing prop he was one of our best metre gainers.
Weve just been forced to play him at SR.
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Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:48 am  

Start@1873 wrote:

In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.

I'm not saying you have no right to express this opinion... You absolutely do..
But your expressed observations are more than a million miles from the conclusions I have drawn from my own observation... So far apart, I don't believe we could even have a rational discussion on the matter.

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:32 pm  

Start@1873 wrote:

In my opinion vagana is the player at risk, he has the size but has not been dominant or been a problem to any opposition, he has not been a problem to any defences, I do think he has ability but is low on force or controlled agression.

I'm impressed with how he's played, but the potential is there for him to become a star. I think he's being managed with an eye on the future rather than as a week in week out player now.

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:07 pm  

PopTart wrote:

I don't think we are watching the same player.
When playing prop he was one of our best metre gainers.
Weve just been forced to play him at SR.
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Kelepi in reverse.

Been⁹ impressed so far with Vagana.

Bain or Boothroyd most at risk for me, which would be tough on Toby as he was looking good.

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:30 pm  

For me Bain is the obvious one in danger, he has missed a lot of games.already, there's also the unknown of how his leg will react once he starts playing, even full contact training isn't the same as game play. I like Boothroyd he seems to have a great ability to read the game, especially in defence, he gets himself into the right place quickly, he has good lateral movement, carries the ball hard, has decent hands for a forward. Don't get the criticism of Vagana at all, he has been good for us, has a high work rate in both and defence, carries the ball well, ties in 3 or 4 defenders with every carry, difficult to put to ground and gives us a quick play of the ball. He is not the finished article y any means but has lots of potential

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 1:55 pm  

Apparently we have signed Jack Brown for next season, looks like another player with lots of potential, carries the ball really well, just needs to clean up his discipline.

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 6:33 pm  

As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:38 pm  

Start@1873 wrote:

As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !

tbh, not sure which Vagana you're watching....

Re: Rumours thread : Sun Apr 28, 2024 7:59 pm  

Start@1873 wrote:

As observed, Uele has gained an extension - signed on till end of 2025, DP, is well pleased & says more future years, I do however hope Vagana improves but he has to improve some way !

Vagana was always signed for the next season. I haven't a clue what you're watching but it's the opposite of my thoughts on the guy. He's only 23, has had no pre season, is huge and will grow even more and already causes teams huge problems when he's attacking and you're basically slagging him off.
I've said from almost his first game how impressed I've been, especially as he fell off a plane and started playing for us, no pre-season or anything, which is why DP will not want to push him too much from the start.
The more games he's played, especially at Prop the better he's gone IMO and done a decent job in the back row when we've been short. It was only a few games ago he was most people's Motm, I can't remember the game.
His ceiling is very high IMO. As I said he's only 23, so very young for a prop, and he already causes chaos down the middle, with the opposition defenders usually taking 3 or 4 to bring him down and he just about always gets a quick play of the ball off the back of his drives. Another year of physical development, as well as improvements in his own game and he will be an absolute menace even at SL level.
All you have to do is look at Atoni even though he's in his prime at 28, average last year, he's got fitter and more confident and he's like a new player for us.