Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:55 pm  

barham red wrote:

Not just me who thinks this then, goal kicking aside I'm not seeing much in Ellis as a 7, he's playing more 6 along with Abdul. I was astounded that Ellis got MOTM yesterday, when the said there are 4 choices over the tanoi I thought all 4 would be Shaun Lunt.

Having seen both play, IMO Abdul is the much better player but is considerably younger so will make more errors. In all the games I've seen ellis play I've never once thought he looked like even a half decent SL scrum half/stand off. I think championship is his level.

One thing's for certain, if they're your halves come play off time then you'll struggle to score against SL defences.

Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:26 pm  

fun time frankie wrote:

Is Kieron Moss your new Dane Tilse

Not in the slightest. I think Moss may eventually be an excellent winger if he applies himself. He just isn't a fullback - at least not at the moment. FWIW I thought Dixon was a scapegoat at Wembley, at least he tried to do something. Most of the rest of the team didn't even turn up.

Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:42 pm  

Jake the Peg wrote:

Having seen both play, IMO Abdul is the much better player but is considerably younger so will make more errors. In all the games I've seen ellis play I've never once thought he looked like even a half decent SL scrum half/stand off. I think championship is his level.

One thing's for certain, if they're your halves come play off time then you'll struggle to score against SL defences.

I am not sure if abdull is better, Ellis is a good player no doubt. Abdul's just playing better right now, but has had more lows then Ellis this season. Very consistent is Mr Ellis.

I wouldn't say its for certain either. Considering you have widnes conceding for fun at home, Hudds don't look too strong and concede a fair amount. We scored a fair amount of points in SL with marsh and blair in the halves, this partnership is a lot better.

I do wish people would stop telling us how "Super" super league is. The standard of SL in general is not good at all, the jump from top end of championship to bottom isn't massive. We are not going to be playing the Wigan's, FC's or Cas for the chance to get promoted the bottom end teams are not a million miles away in which everyone is making out ( not just you Jake, heard plenty of it in the East Stand on Sunday after about 5 minutes of play) Belief and confidence play a major part in results, listened to all the experts on here we are already doomed. Madness

Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:43 pm  

Gallanteer wrote:

Not in the slightest. I think Moss may eventually be an excellent winger if he applies himself. He just isn't a fullback - at least not at the moment. FWIW I thought Dixon was a scapegoat at Wembley, at least he tried to do something. Most of the rest of the team didn't even turn up.

I agree about Dixon for all his mistakes at Wembley he never stopped wanting the ball

Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:01 pm  

mean_machine wrote:

I am not sure if abdull is better, Ellis is a good player no doubt. Abdul's just playing better right now, but has had more lows then Ellis this season. Very consistent is Mr Ellis.

I wouldn't say its for certain either. Considering you have widnes conceding for fun at home, Hudds don't look too strong and concede a fair amount. We scored a fair amount of points in SL with marsh and blair in the halves, this partnership is a lot better.

I do wish people would stop telling us how "Super" super league is. The standard of SL in general is not good at all, the jump from top end of championship to bottom isn't massive. We are not going to be playing the Wigan's, FC's or Cas for the chance to get promoted the bottom end teams are not a million miles away in which everyone is making out ( not just you Jake, heard plenty of it in the East Stand on Sunday after about 5 minutes of play) Belief and confidence play a major part in results, listened to all the experts on here we are already doomed. Madness

I agree with every word of this post, except the last 12. Very unfair observation on the evidence of the other posts in this thread.

I aren't saying we are doomed come the Middle 8s, nor do I think others are saying that imo, although that is my interpretation and I do not speak for them.

The consensus as I read it is we are doomed if we play like we did in the 1st half yesterday, we are doomed if we don't play smarter in the final 20, we are doomed if we keep turning the ball over and we are doomed unless we strengthen in some areas like the forwards as planned during the course of the season and FWIW we are certainly doomed if we play like Kieran Dixon did in his abject Wembley Horror Show, whether trying or not.

It's difficult to benchmark fans' expectations at this stage of the season. Latterly, we always knew we were struggling to compete in SL in the post Morgan era. The problem is that this is a season of definitively stated objectives and rebuild. That builds pressure but we know optimum playing performances in this league will take time. That said, game basics, enthusiasm and intensity are now a minimum requirement but yesterday we went into reverse on these in the first half and got a lucky break in the 2nd that got us back to parity and visibly lifted us at a time when we were trying too hard to force the wrong plays. As Sheens said, it was an ugly win.

Bottom line is 7 out of 7 is a good achievement. April should be a bit more exciting and a better test for our new team on all levels. I am confident that our performance levels will go up another gear in the next month. If they don't you can expect the team to keep getting stick from the East Stand, North Stand, Well and West Stand as well as on here.

Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:14 pm  

I think the biggest issue with Abdul is that he's following some very classy 6''s at Rovers. Kelly, Burns, Green. Not an easy list to live upto.
We have to accept he is still young, not fully developed as a player yet, and now under the microscope.

With time and support he could become a very good player, the question is do we have time (1 season) to wait for this.
Or should we use him until we can find a suitable replacement to get us through the 8''s and beyond ? And is this also true of Ellis ?

Re: Fax : Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:01 pm  

I apologise, my lamenting of people on this board wasn't aimed at KR fans but fans of other teams who don't really know the ins and outs of how we perform, other teams performance and have a less then general insight but know all the answers. I can accept that wasn't clear though.

I do think there is a general lack of patience within our following though, as mentioned with moans from the east stand on Sunday after 5 minutes of play. I'm sure the people with more knowledge then us can see where improvements need to be made, I.e the coaches.

For me, I'd be moving Abdul to 13, try and bring in a running style 6. Probably not a great deal of them hanging about mind. I think we also need 1 more prop (Clarkson is steady, but we have plenty of them) and a great finisher on the wing.

Go with our first choice 17 right now though we wouldn't be a million miles away, especially in one off games

Re: Fax : Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:53 pm  

BiltonRobin wrote:

I think the biggest issue with Abdul is that he's following some very classy 6''s at Rovers. Kelly, Burns, Green. Not an easy list to live upto.
We have to accept he is still young, not fully developed as a player yet, and now under the microscope.

With time and support he could become a very good player, the question is do we have time (1 season) to wait for this.
Or should we use him until we can find a suitable replacement to get us through the 8''s and beyond ? And is this also true of Ellis ?

Burns??

Bang average imo

Re: Fax : Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:49 pm  

bishops finger wrote:

Burns??

Bang average imo

Bang average or not, he new how, and more importantly when to put a runner through a gap.
Which is not something we have at the moment.

Re: Fax : Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:52 pm  

Is abdul not doing that? Always thought his passing game was good at Hull and have seen him set up plenty of try's for Hull at all levels.