[Bullseye]

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Mon Mar 08, 2010 11:54 am  

I think we were going to give the training a miss. When we looked at how long we'd have it'd be very tight to fit in a session along with everything else. Plus we'd run the risk of folk turning up without their kit expecting the AGM only.

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:20 pm  

Hi all, sorry to drag over this again but the more I think about accepting the Hunslet offer yet staying at Morley the less it makes sense to me. Its essentially renting a house and inheriting the next door mansion, would you continue to rent and leave next door dormant? No, you'd move so why arent we?

If we accept the offer and stay at Morley what benefit do we get? We still need to pay subscriptions to cover the rent and it seems we manage to make a small profit from our current setup of £2 a week so we dont really need the extra funding. We are giving up the name and heritage etc for very little if we stay at Morley. The coaching sessions available would be the only positive to me.

By going to Hunslet the facilities are better, its free and we maybe able to attract some of the lasses from the girls teams that have recently signed up with Hunslet.

As I say sorry to drag it up again, I'm just not seeing the benefits to staying at Morley when theres a better and free alternative.

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:29 am  

Apologies for having to leave early last night. Would it be possible to get a summary of the decisions made from last nights AGM ?

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:44 pm  

Kirk, I think the main reason for staying at Morley was because it being the more convenient location for most. Have to admit getting home was quite a pain last night, going through city centre and many traffic lights.

One point we didn't really touch on was the distance to the pitch at Hunslet, considering where we would have to park. Currently, we struggle to start training at 7.15 let alone 7pm.

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Tue Mar 09, 2010 1:44 pm  

I shall post some minutes in due course (workload permitting!)

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:14 pm  

Kirk, I think we're committed for the rental up at Morley until August/September the decision we took was to continue until then with a visit a month down at Hunslet for some coaching (if we want), when the time comes for renewal of the lease then we need to make another decision after sampling what the stadium has to offer (including the hike to the pitch) and what price we can negotiate with Morley.

I know what your saying but the stadium isn't ideal for all and i think what we pretty much had a unanimous decision on was to see how it goes and make a decision later this year on the location once the rental agreement with Morley ends.

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:10 pm  

Been away too long to be able to argue this properly.. but FREEDOOM of speach an all....

Firstly to say the clubs never been looked after so better with Uncle, Sam and mainly Scotts effort over the last couple of years... I've not seen any of the three take expensive holidays, build extensions on their houses or take trips to bristols finest lapdancing bars on club funds well done guys.

The hunslet offer from what I've read does seem an attractive offer but I cant help but think it would be the demise of Leeds Lost Loiners.

Set up at the back of the southstand on the training pitches for the fellow loiner members as a social gathering to show off your skills and a mickey up afterwards. nothing much has changed over the years.. and the great line of "if it aint broke dont fix it" comes to mind.

I think joining up with hunslet would inevitably result in them taking over the monday nights for their own training and the identity of what is Lostloiners now.

I apologies to Scott for what does seem like a good idea and a lot of effort on his part, but myself I cant help but think it would be the end of a good thing we've already got!!

Missing you look making me look good.

Gregor.

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:30 pm  

Kirk - you do make a fair point. To me it seems daft to have generally superior facilities available for free and then paying an additional amount to play somewhere of not quite so high a standard. One thought that occured to me driving back to this end is that effectively (if perhaps slightly simplistically) to reject the Hunslet offer would mean that people would be happy to pay £100 a year to keep the name and history of the Loiners intact. An interesting perspective on it?

Getting back to the point... my understanding of the situation is as outlined by Kev that we have a commitment with Morley for the next 6 months which effectively gives us the ideal chance to give Hunslet a try out on a 6 month probationary period to see how it works for both sides without buring any bridges with Morley. Seems sensible and I think that was what was almost unanimously voted for...

For the record on the subject of convenience, I live north Leeds so Hunselt is more convenient for me (although I realise its less convenient for most!).

Finally, I had actually also had some thoughts around Gregor's final point. I think its important that we are clear with Hunslet that we would want to maintain complete operational autonomy. We would want complete control of how we train etc and not be dictated to by them at all, beyond using their name and being open to new players joining us.

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:07 am  

gee wrote:

Firstly to say the clubs never been looked after so better with Uncle, Sam and mainly Scotts effort over the last couple of years... I've not seen any of the three take expensive holidays, build extensions on their houses or take trips to bristols finest lapdancing bars on club funds well done guys.

Gregor - I support everything you said in your post, but do take offence to this comment. Hopefully made in jest, I'd like to defend the way G1 and I ran the club, leaving it in a very healthy state and after 2 years in charge, handing over £300 to Ricky when he took it over (starting with a nominal £10 after BatleyRhino's stewardship). That's with charging £2 a week and still offering discounted gear, refs paid for, food after games etc.

I am happy staying where we are and whilst one may gush at the better facilities at Hunslet, what do we actually want for a Monday night.

Personally, I want a safe place to leave my car, a decent pitch to play on, a shower and some post-match facilities. Morley offers that and for a 5 minute drive and £2 per week (whilst keeping the Lost Loiners name), it does more than enough for me.

I like the Hunslet facilities (I used to play 5-a-side there in days gone by so I knew what to expect). With regards to my requirements, the Hunslet/Middleton area is worse than Morley for safety/security, the pitch, in my opinion, was worse than Morley's (particuarly liked the car tyre tracks), it's a hell of a hike from the changing rooms. The shower rooms look much nicer, but at the end of the day, it's a shower pumping out water. I ain't going to drive an extra 15 minutes for exactly the same thing.

I normally make it to Morley between 7 and 7.15. This would become 7.15 - 7.30 for Hunslet, pre-hike to pitch. I vote Morley 100%.

An upside to this is the free training, however this is negligible when taking the additional mileage into account.

I appreciate what Scott is trying to do for the club and (speaking from personal experience) I know how hard it can be sorted out the administration and finances, but let's not forget that Hunslet have an agenda here too. Any decision should be made for us, and no one else.

[Bullseye]

Re: Lost Loiners AGM : Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:44 am  

I think the way forward is to test the water at Hunslet for the odd training sessions as agreed. We'll then get a clearer idea of the pro's and cons.

In the meantime we've an agreement with Morley to honour so we continue as we are for some time. In that time we should get a clearer idea of whether we want to move or not.

Personally I'm happier training at Morley given the distances involved and the cosy set up we currently have. However that may change once I get to experience what's on offer down at Hunslet. I'm prepared to see how it goes for now.