Re: More undeserving poor told they should work for benefits : Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:01 pm  

cod'ead wrote: He did? Have a read: Hansard 29 November 2007[/i] and? http://www.dpac.uk.net/tag/remploy-closures/ Since the last wave of Remploy factory closures in 2008, 85% of those made redundant have not worked since, and 95% of those that found employment were on less pay. http://www.gmb.org.uk/default.aspx?page=1645 In March 2008 over 2,000 disabled worker were forced onto benefits when 29 Remploy sites were closed and over 90% of these workers are still not working – a testament that the closures did not save money thrown on the scrap heap by the labour party. the vicious, evil bastads (sic). what sort of morally bankrupt oaf would vote for a party that did that. throw in the abolition of the 10p tax band, is there no-one a labour voter won't screw over. still, they can always try and blame thatcher.

cod'ead wrote: He did? Have a read: Hansard 29 November 2007[/i] and? http://www.dpac.uk.net/tag/remploy-closures/ Since the last wave of Remploy factory closures in 2008, 85% of those made redundant have not worked since, and 95% of those that found employment were on less pay. http://www.gmb.org.uk/default.aspx?page=1645 In March 2008 over 2,000 disabled worker were forced onto benefits when 29 Remploy sites were closed and over 90% of these workers are still not working – a testament that the closures did not save money thrown on the scrap heap by the labour party. the vicious, evil bastads (sic). what sort of morally bankrupt oaf would vote for a party that did that. throw in the abolition of the 10p tax band, is there no-one a labour voter won't screw over. still, they can always try and blame thatcher.

Re: More undeserving poor told they should work for benefits : Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:10 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Thanks for that, its much appreciated. It is a difficult one which the government have not given much thought to and lumped us all together. I've mentioned this before, everyones abilities and disabilities are different as are our work capabilities. This is something that needs looking at. To give you an example I have rheumatoid arthritis, my prognosis is probably wheelchair bound in time something I've come to accept, yet at I was placed in the Work related group which means I had one year to find and take a cure for my RA or my benefit would stop as this government say 1year is adequete time to get better. This is not widely known unless its happening to you.

Disability and illness is not as black or white as the government make out.

They have plenty of previous in taking the worse-case scenario and then applying a broad brush "solution" to "the problem", working on the principle that many will not bother appealing or get so fed up with the process, they simply accept their fate and wither & die.

They are, without doubt, an evil-minded nasty set of bastads. Always have been and always will be. As Nye Bevan said:
"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin"

Re: More undeserving poor told they should work for benefits : Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:25 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

At my workplace, we have external secretaries who type out our dictations, letters, invoices, attendance notes etc.

You seem to have no trouble typing large blocks of text and presumably can listen through headphones.

Can you do a job like this?

You see, you've highlighted a problem with "assessments" right there.

You've already set a bar, a line in the sand, by inferring that because a person can type something on an internet forum they are perfectly capable of working in an office doing a typing sort of job, data input or similar.

This is how the "assessment" works, its a tool with a pre-prepared agenda to describe a task which can be completed and then with a wave of a wand transpose that task into a "job" and in doing so prove that the person is not totally invalided at all and therefore fit for work.

Problem is that in the real world those sort of jobs just don't exist anywhere.

A job where you can data input at your own speed with regular pauses due to pain or fatigue or inability to concentrate for long periods of time - you can still type don't forget - a job where your managers don't mind if you have to take irregular absences for medical visits some of which might not be pre-planned, a job on a regular bus route that is not far from a bus stop where a bus with a drop-floor ramp is available.

We aren't asking for much are we, we haven't even started yet...

And we're assuming that none of the 2 million + other people in the job queue don't want that sort of job as well given that they can offer a better performance promise than that.

Just out of interest, one of our directors recently issued a decree that too much time was being wasted on medical appointments and sick days at our place of work and that we should all aim to cut back on this, what they forgot was that the company absence planner is on the intranet so its really easy for anyone to look at it, most staff have no sick days this year (me included), only three have more than four days and one of those is a director, of all sick days taken those three represent 80% and two of those are women who I know for a fact took some days off due to their childrens sickness.

If a small business like the one I work for are targeting working women with school age children and warning others for having just one or two days sick per year, then just where are we heading to ?

Re: More undeserving poor told they should work for benefits : Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:32 pm  

samwire wrote:

...throw in the abolition of the 10p tax band ...

Who introduced the 10p tax band in the first place and who introduced the Tax Credits that largely filled the gap when the band was abolished?

Clue : Not the Tories.

Re: More undeserving poor told they should work for benefits : Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:59 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Who introduced the 10p tax band in the first place and who introduced the Tax Credits that largely filled the gap when the band was abolished?

Clue : Not the Tories.

ah, so it's ok for labour to screw the poorest in society because they doled out the cash in the first place?

the 10p tax was introduced in 1999, the tax credit system we now know (it's a nice bloke offspring of the old family credit brought in by the tories) came about in 2003ish, the 10p tax band was got rid of 5 years after that, plus those who were hit hardest by the removal of the 10p tax band didn't even qualify for tax credits, which makes your assertion that they filled the gap, what?

clue: rhymes with pollocks.

Re: More undeserving poor told they should work for benefits : Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:10 pm  

Hull White Star wrote:

Busy day means running to the hospital for infusions and then to the Doctors for bloods and prescriptions, or having to get to my physios. Busy day means pottering around the house on my sticks. Busy day means having to do the shopping on a mobility scooter because my husband has had to find a job 2 hours away, out of town because we had the threat of my benefit stopping and him losing his public sector job therefore losing my bungalow.

I'm not even going to waste my time on the rest of your post because you've read enough of my posts to know what my illness is and how it affects me.

You should have just called Dita a fool who doesn't know his ar*e from his elbow, as he/she clearly doesn't. Unless someone has experienced the effects of chronic long term sickness, not only on the sufferer but also their family and finances, it is very hard to understand just how bad things can become. If this is then compounded by low life politicians trying to suck up to middle england by pandering to their prejudices, all you can do is raise two fingers and take aim with your mobility scooter.