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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:30 pm  
When I think of Austria I think of Arnold Schwarznegger and Adolf Hitler. I'd like to go to Salzburg someday though.
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 1:36 pm  
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Well, talking of "the central European mindset", I'm off to Lübeck on me own next month – finally all booked after procrastination caused by a combination of work commitments making scheduling difficult, and downright terror.

Herrings and lobscouse and 'Lubecker plettenpudding à la Thomas Mann' ...

If I'm lucky, the spargel season will have started too.


I don't think the Clemensstrasse is what it used to be.
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:35 pm  
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Well, talking of "the central European mindset", I'm off to Lübeck on me own next month – finally all booked after procrastination caused by a combination of work commitments making scheduling difficult, and downright terror.

Herrings and lobscouse and 'Lubecker plettenpudding à la Thomas Mann' ...

If I'm lucky, the spargel season will have started too.
Do yourself a favour and don't go around shouting 'I'm Jewish' as if Dally is right (Yes I know!) you will be dragged into the street and shot.I am in now way making fun of the Nazi war-crimes which were horrific.
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:46 pm  
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Do yourself a favour and don't go around shouting 'I'm Jewish' as if Dally is right (Yes I know!) you will be dragged into the street and shot.I am in now way making fun of the Nazi war-crimes which were horrific.


:D Lübeck was stripped of its centuries-old independence in 1937 by you-know-who, who was pîssed at the city for refusing to let him hold an election rally there in 1932.

Mind, he never forgave Berlin either for never voting for him.
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:04 pm  
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:D Lübeck was stripped of its centuries-old independence in 1937 by you-know-who, who was pîssed at the city for refusing to let him hold an election rally there in 1932.

Mind, he never forgave Berlin either for never voting for him.


You mean Dally ? :wink:
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:06 pm  
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You mean Dally ? :wink:
If Dally ever gets in the situation where he may get voted for we can officially declare the end of the world. :wink:
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:43 pm  
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You mean Dally ? :wink:


Well, as it happens ...
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 4:22 pm  
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Is it?
It doesn't even say how many would vote Nazi themselves.

If you asked people in the UK whether the BNP would gain seats in an election, quite a few would say yes.
Doesn't mean they'd vote for them.


Quite true but the interesting thing is how many think that now compared to say five, ten or twenty years ago.

It wouldn't surprise me if more people think the BNP will gain seats now than some years ago.

It could be the same in Austria re the Nazi's chances at elections. Perhaps it was unthinkable to even suggest it 20 years ago but due to a concern over the re-emergence of the far right perhaps the Austrian poll reflects that.

What we don't have is an equivalent poll from years ago to compare it with.

As for whether life was "not all bad" under the Nazis, some things, whilst immensely outweighed by the bad, some things would have been good ... full employment, trains running on time etc.


Same applies to virtually all governments. They are bound to get something right, even the Tories (though not full employment or reliable public transport of course!).
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Tue Mar 12, 2013 5:26 pm  
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Quite true but the interesting thing is how many think that now compared to say five, ten or twenty years ago ...


Absolutely. And we need to remember the context where, for instance, a fascist party is on the rise in Greece – because of the economic conditions. It would, in that sense, actually be surprising is fascist parties made no inroads at such times, given what we know are the for reasons for the growth of fascism.
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Re: Lest we forget.... : Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:16 am  
If we want to talk about the rise/re-emergence of fascism, fine ... but my point was that that article only tells us what Austrians think (fear or approve?) that other Austrians might vote for, not what they would vote for themselves.
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