[John_D]

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:51 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Having just read the report linked to in the OP, one thing has struck me as rather odd about the DWP u-turn on Monday, the issue of adult children who are in the armed services.

Why would they get special exemption ?

Because the fetishisation of the armed forces plays well to Tory heartlands and helps salve the conscience of the idiots who keep sending them to die on spurious grounds.



IMNSHO

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:55 pm  

John_D wrote:

Because the fetishisation of the armed forces plays well to Tory heartlands and helps salve the conscience of the idiots who keep sending them to die on spurious grounds.



IMNSHO

Yup, thats it.

And the fact that when you're dividing to rule, you don't really want to divide the armed forces or the police from your own side, for the same reason that those heartlands would follow them.

Its much easier to demonise the poor and the chronically sick & disabled, keeping all of these spare bedrooms to themselves and getting us to pay for them, how dare they.

[DaveO]

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:16 pm  

Kosh wrote:

I'm not fond of Tories as a group, but IDS is an obnoxious, odious, sub-human scumbag. Someone I genuinely wouldn't urinate on if he were aflame.

If there is any justice in the world (something I doubt) then he is due some serious ill fortune.

Paddy Ashdown was on a program the other night, The Agenda on ITV. Ashdown was talking about the welfare reforms introduced by IDS and came out with the statement that IDS genuinely cared about the plight of people needing welfare. I was pretty gob-smacked to be honest. He did say that there might be some problems along the way as these reforms were implemented and that was about as tacit an acknowledgement of situations highlighted in this thread as you got from him In other words the Lib Dems are as much to blame as IDS for waving this legislation through.

There was also a case highlighted on North West Tonight only yesterday where a women with epilepsy has had a lift installed by her housing association costing £10,000 because it is too dangerous for her to use the stairs. The lift goes vertically up from downstairs into what was the third bedroom.

The third bedroom is of course unoccupied and can't be occupied due to this but the housing association can't reclassify the house as a two bedroomed property (I think because it affects its value and future use, not sure) and as such she is going to get hit by the bedroom tax because as far as the DWP is concerned it remains a three bedroom property.

So she can either pay the tax or move out leaving the £10K lift behind.

It is ludicrous situations like this that show this was yet another policy thought out on the back of a postage stamp. The fact IDS shows no shame in wanting to persist with is tells you all you want to know about this odious man. Paddy Ashdown ought to be ashamed of himself and his colleagues for facilitating this man's assault on the vulnerable.

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:18 pm  

IDS has given concessions to the armed forces.

That alone is enough to give Field Marshal Paddy Pantsdown an erection that cuts off the blood to his tiny brain.

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:18 pm  

John_D wrote:

Because the fetishisation of the armed forces plays well to Tory heartlands and helps salve the conscience of the idiots who keep sending them to die on spurious grounds.



IMNSHO

This – although not just in Tory heartlands. The whole 'help for Heroes' thing isn't directed at the Tory heartlands.

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:20 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

... Its much easier to demonise the poor and the chronically sick & disabled, keeping all of these spare bedrooms to themselves and getting us to pay for them, how dare they.

I don't know what depresses me more: the process of the demonisation or the apparent fact that huge swathes of the country are, frankly, too dumb to understand how they're being played.

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:24 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I don't know what depresses me more: the process of the demonisation or the apparent fact that huge swathes of the country are, frankly, too dumb to understand how they're being played.

Remember Pat Buchanan's comments in Florida during the election count that Dubya stole?

"F*ck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway".

That's the Coalitions view on those who are on benefits or have low incomes.

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:27 pm  

Andy Gilder wrote:

Remember Pat Buchanan's comments in Florida during the election count that Dubya stole?

"F*ck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway".

That's the Coalitions view on those who are on benefits or have low incomes.

Yup.

Re: IDS folds on bedroom tax case : Wed Mar 13, 2013 3:51 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I don't know what depresses me more: the process of the demonisation or the apparent fact that huge swathes of the country are, frankly, too dumb to understand how they're being played.

Just keep em fed, watered and entertained. The newspapers will do the rest. That Desmond Morris explains it all nicely.