Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:36 am  

Dally wrote:

... What about your sexuality were you born with that?

There's nothing to suggest that one isn't.

There's certainly nothing to remotely suggest that you chose to be heterosexual.

Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:32 am  

JerryChicken wrote:

...although what he is saying, and you have to believe that those are his personal feelings, is correct and would be a good thing if it brings them to recognise that their policies are wrong and are not corroborated in the real world, indeed are opposed by the majority.

He states that he's not advocating a change of policy though. It smacks very much of paying lip service to the whole thing without actually doing anything to change it.

"We're against homophobic bullying, but we don't believe gay people should have the same rights as heterosexuals."

What next, bears to tackle the problem of defecation in wooded areas whilst continuing to take a dump behind the nearest tree?

Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:39 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

He states that he's not advocating a change of policy though. It smacks very much of paying lip service to the whole thing without actually doing anything to change it.

"We're against homophobic bullying, but we don't believe gay people should have the same rights as heterosexuals."

What next, bears to tackle the problem of defecation in wooded areas whilst continuing to take a dump behind the nearest tree?

Baby steps.

At least this one acknowledges that their attitudes are not in tune with the rest of society to the point where they are turning people off their line of business.

Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Sat Jul 06, 2013 5:25 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Baby steps.

At least this one acknowledges that their attitudes are not in tune with the rest of society to the point where they are turning people off their line of business.

You'll have to excuse my cynicism, but it looks very much like a PR exercise to me. When the Church is next accused of homophobia, they'll be able to point to this initiative in a bid to show that they're not. However, in real terms, nothing will have changed.

Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:12 pm  

Rock God X wrote:

You'll have to excuse my cynicism, but it looks very much like a PR exercise to me. When the Church is next accused of homophobia, they'll be able to point to this initiative in a bid to show that they're not. However, in real terms, nothing will have changed.

Bit like society as a whole then.

Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:40 am  

I caught a bit of the Today programme on R4 yesterday.
Humphries was talking to two women, one who was in favour of women bishops and one who seemed to be saying that, whilst she personally wasn't against the idea, she was going to vote against it until there was some accommodation for those in the church who were sincerely against it.
Quite what accommodation she wanted wasn't made clear but I guess it would have to be a sort of "Yes you can have women bishops but not if even as few as one person says no" ... then she'd vote yes ... maybe.

Goodness knows how she manages to cast a vote in a general election.

Re: The resurrection of the Church of England? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:54 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

I caught a bit of the Today programme on R4 yesterday.
Humphries was talking to two women, one who was in favour of women bishops and one who seemed to be saying that, whilst she personally wasn't against the idea, she was going to vote against it until there was some accommodation for those in the church who were sincerely against it.
Quite what accommodation she wanted wasn't made clear but I guess it would have to be a sort of "Yes you can have women bishops but not if even as few as one person says no" ... then she'd vote yes ... maybe.

Goodness knows how she manages to cast a vote in a general election.

Much the same was going on in the Lords last night with the latest stage of the equal marriage debate.

Calls for some public servants to be exempted from doing part of their job, along with a discussion about whether some taxpayer-funded public services should be allowed for all taxpayers.

Logic is not their strong point.

My favourite tweet from last night, though, from Ben Summerskill: " Spare a thought for some bishops today. Attend Synod to oppose women's equality? Or attend the Lords to oppose gay equality?"