Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:55 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I would coontend that the majority of the electorate do not see a true picture, rather they see only what is fed to them by the media

Ignoring the Garnetian slip, why do you feel you see a "true" picture when the "majority" do not? I think this is the problem with many socialists - patholgical delusion as to their all seeing superiority (when in fact, the majority see them for what they are - sad).

Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:01 pm  

Dally wrote:

Ignoring the Garnetian slip, why do you feel you see a "true" picture when the "majority" do not? I think this is the problem with many socialists - patholgical delusion as to their all seeing superiority (when in fact, the majority see them for what they are - sad).

How else do would you explain why so many people think:

25% of the British population are muslim?

50% of the benefits bill is spent on the unemployed?

etc

Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:21 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

How else do would you explain why so many people think:

25% of the British population are muslim?

50% of the benefits bill is spent on the unemployed?

etc

Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday.

"Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.

Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:51 pm  

Dally wrote:

... "Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.

Or the reporting of it.

As has been mentioned more than once, IDS has been caught out fiddling the figures on benefits, but most of the mainstream media, having reported the fiddled figures as true, have generally ignored anything beyond that.

Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:37 pm  

Dally wrote: Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday. "Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word. I direct you back to my original point. You can also see the difference between local and national beliefs in Ipsos/Mori perils of Perception pdf If that's too much for you, here's a summary

Dally wrote: Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday. "Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word. I direct you back to my original point. You can also see the difference between local and national beliefs in Ipsos/Mori perils of Perception pdf If that's too much for you, here's a summary

Re: Is Labour close to being finished forever? : Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:49 pm  

Dally wrote:

Personal experience? If people live in certain areas of B'ham, London, Bradford, etc they may well assume 25% of the population is Muslim as around home they see a higher percentage than that everyday.

"Benefits" as a word, suggests to most people unemployment-type assistance. The problem there is perhaps in the word.

I read somewhere that Bradford has around 12% Asian. The perception is if you go to certain areas it seems like 90%, I have sites in Manningham and Undercliffe where the vast majority are Asian, but if you go to other areas of Bradford you see very few.

Statistics can be manipulated into whatever the manipulator wants.