Re: Pub Companies : Thu Oct 17, 2013 8:07 am  

JerryChicken wrote: :thumb: His tweets the next morning to the Labour Member for Burton on Trent who is on various trade committees for the major brewers and who got up and walked out during Mulhollands 20 minute speech were quite funny. Which tweets are you meaning? Reason I ask is that I've been reading about this fella ... http://www.andrewgriffithsmp.com/catego ... es/brewing ... is a Conservative MP with a special interest in the brewing industry and I think he was the one who walked out. ... and this fella ... http://www.beerandpub.com/news/david-wi ... ssociation ... isn't an MP but Mulholland was tweeting scathingly about him being an ex-Labour councillor and being in the pocket of the industry #pubcopuppet

JerryChicken wrote: :thumb: His tweets the next morning to the Labour Member for Burton on Trent who is on various trade committees for the major brewers and who got up and walked out during Mulhollands 20 minute speech were quite funny. Which tweets are you meaning? Reason I ask is that I've been reading about this fella ... http://www.andrewgriffithsmp.com/catego ... es/brewing ... is a Conservative MP with a special interest in the brewing industry and I think he was the one who walked out. ... and this fella ... http://www.beerandpub.com/news/david-wi ... ssociation ... isn't an MP but Mulholland was tweeting scathingly about him being an ex-Labour councillor and being in the pocket of the industry #pubcopuppet

Re: Pub Companies : Thu Oct 17, 2013 12:01 pm  

Yes, looking at his conversations he was having a go at two of them at the same time Also linked to this ... http://pubaliciouspubs.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/pubco-reform-more-jobs-cheaper-beer-whats-not-to-love/#more-253

Yes, looking at his conversations he was having a go at two of them at the same time Also linked to this ... http://pubaliciouspubs.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/pubco-reform-more-jobs-cheaper-beer-whats-not-to-love/#more-253

Re: Pub Companies : Thu Oct 17, 2013 6:20 pm  

Listen how many times times must it be said.

Privatisation WORKS which is why the Armed forces, Police, Civil Service, Local councils are all privatised.

Where is the problem, or does history perhaps give some clues?

Re: Pub Companies : Thu Oct 17, 2013 7:12 pm  

Leaguefan wrote:

Listen how many times times must it be said.

Privatisation WORKS which is why the Armed forces, Police, Civil Service, Local councils are all privatised.

Where is the problem, or does history perhaps give some clues?

Wrong thread?

Re: Pub Companies : Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:40 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Wrong thread?

Titan mode

Re: Pub Companies : Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:22 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Following Jerry Chicken's post about PubCo's (in the Obama thread), I thought a new thread would be appropriate rather than reply in that thread.

How ironic it has all turned out to be.
Back in Thatcher's reign, it was decided that brewers' tied pubs should be allowed to sell other beers and not be tied to only selling that brewery's beer.

Cue the brewers selling-off their pubs to pubco's (or in the case of Whitbread, converting themselves from a brewer to be chains of restaurants etc and a property company) ... so that now we have ended up with almost the same situation, just that it's not the brewers calling the shots but the pubco's, some of whom are far more keen to squeeze their tenants than the brewers ever were.

I haven't read the original thread so apologies if I am covering old ground, but my recollection of the piece of legislation that split pubs and breweries is a bit different.
The government wanted to break the monopoly that brewers had over pub ownership, so brewers had to decide if they wanted to brew and own a set number of pubs, or become a pub owning company and stop brewing. Obviously as a bye product of this came the fact that the majority of pubs were no longer tied to a single brewery.
At that time I worked as a rep for Allied breweries in the free trade sector and we were still able to tie up free house's with loans to make it advantageous for them to only stock one brewers beer brands.

As with a lot of government run ideas - the concept was good - it should have made a lot of tenanted pubs available for purchase by the incumbent landlord, however they failed to see the emergence of companies who would buy up all of the available pubs, put in exorbitant fees for running the pub and making it impossible for landlords to pay these fees through means other than raise the price of beer. This set of a downward spiral which we are now still on where all but 2 of my local 10 pubs have closed down - one of which won the CAMRA local pub of the year award in the same year it closed.
I believe it has now reached the point where it is too expensive to go drinking in a pub regularly for most normally paid people. It is now more of a treat than a normal weekend activity.

Re: Pub Companies : Mon Oct 21, 2013 4:48 pm  

Having been regulars in both of these pubs, I think it sums up quite well what happens when a PubCo lets a publican actually run a pub: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/w ... -1-6155349 I was good mates with one of the guys who ran The Owl and some of the stories that I heard regarding Enterprise were astounding. Hopefully this isn't just a 'honeymoon' period with the new PubCo because if they manage to do half of what they did at The Owl, they'll do very well.

Having been regulars in both of these pubs, I think it sums up quite well what happens when a PubCo lets a publican actually run a pub: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/w ... -1-6155349 I was good mates with one of the guys who ran The Owl and some of the stories that I heard regarding Enterprise were astounding. Hopefully this isn't just a 'honeymoon' period with the new PubCo because if they manage to do half of what they did at The Owl, they'll do very well.