Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:41 pm  

David Titan wrote:

Why does it matter what other people earn? A banker earning millions of pounds a year does not in anyway affect your life. You do not earn less just because somebody else earns more. The recent increase in Wayne Rooney's salary to £300k per week has not meant that my salary, your salary or Vince Cable's salary have seen corresponding decreases.

People need to stop being blinded by jealously and envy. I will never understand why somebody becoming enormously rich through sheer luck of winning £104 million on the Euromillions is something to celebrate whereas somebody becoming equally wealthy through hard work, entrepreneurship and talent is lambasted. This drive to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity needs to stop. Instead of bashing the successful, people should look up to them and seek to emulate them.

One day joined up thinking May arrive in your world, but it doubt if I will be around to see it.
May I suggest you look again at your first sentence and then re-read your post..
It's a big world outside your current bubble and interactivity does take place.

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:13 am  

David Titan wrote:

People need to stop being blinded by jealously and envy. I will never understand why somebody becoming enormously rich through sheer luck of winning £104 million on the Euromillions is something to celebrate whereas somebody becoming equally wealthy through hard work, entrepreneurship and talent is lambasted. This drive to the bottom, this celebration of mediocrity needs to stop. Instead of bashing the successful, people should look up to them and seek to emulate them.

"entrepreneurship and talent" - I too have no problem with people earning high salaries for this sort of thing.

So, back to the bankers (which is what Vince Cable was talking about), the entrepreneurship element of what they do, its their own money they gamble with is it, they lose their own houses when they make a balls-up do they, declare themselves bankrupt and jobless when they make bad decisions ?

We won't bother with the talent part of the equation - see above.

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:46 am  

Leaguefan wrote:

One day joined up thinking May arrive in your world, but it doubt if I will be around to see it.
May I suggest you look again at your first sentence and then re-read your post..
It's a big world outside your current bubble and interactivity does take place.

Tell me, what is the correlation between the amount of money I have in the Bank and you. I don't earn a million dollar salary BTW. In fact I don't earn a salary at all. No, I am not one of the Benefit Brigade who lurk at the edges of this forum. I made enough to retire early, so is there some figure in your little Red Book which is acceptable to your good self? 1k, 10k, 100k, 500k?


And is it any of your business?

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:16 am  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

And is it any of your business?

This from Spunkskin who has been obsessively stalking the Chicken all week.....

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:44 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

This from Spunkskin who has been obsessively stalking the Chicken all week.....

Ah, the native wit of the Humbersider......sparkling repartee at its finest!

I can't help speculating Wizeb, that HM Government would get a better return on its £70 per week if it did indeed invest in chickens, rather than pursue the fairly forlorn hope of finding you employment. And the eggs, and eventually the actual chicken would provide a welcome extra at all those foodbanks that are springing up. Benevolence and Economics in action.

Gallus gallus domesticus..... its the future!

Just what was your last job by the way?

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:16 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Just what was your last job by the way?

Detective.
Would you like some home tuition now you've hung up your boots?

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:06 pm  

rumpelstiltskin wrote:

Tell me, what is the correlation between the amount of money I have in the Bank and you. I don't earn a million dollar salary BTW. In fact I don't earn a salary at all. No, I am not one of the Benefit Brigade who lurk at the edges of this forum. I made enough to retire early, so is there some figure in your little Red Book which is acceptable to your good self? 1k, 10k, 100k, 500k?


And is it any of your business?

My comment regarding Titan is applicable to you, if you can work out why.
A small clue!

You have to look at the big picture.

Re: Bob Crow - RMT Union leader : Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:48 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

More Minty diatribe!!

It is hypocritical to spout equality, fairness and wealth spread from a lofty position - the fact you cannot see that says much about your own thought processes and possibly your own cosy position? In a socialist system the level of remuneration should be in context to all those have an input into generating that wealth. You cannot put a figure on it because no two circumstances are identical - I know that urinates on your bonfire but that's life.

Take Richard Rogers - in his practice there is multiple between the lowest earner and the highest of ten times so if the top man wants to pay himself more he has to raise the salaries of the lowest earner. That seems like a sensible socialist compromise? The fact that he introduced after he had made his millions is a point to note.

So, another little rant to cover up the fact that you cannot answer the question but still keep spouting the same drivel.

Then you come up with an example of a pay system that you apparently approve of _ although I'm not aware that it's a 'socialist' one. But perhaps you can now show that in Bob Crow's case, his salary was more than 10 times the salary of anyone else who was/is an employee of the RMT.

Allowing for the figure of £143,000 (which is false, since that includes the NI paid by his employer, the RMT), but sticking with it anyway, that means that you'll be able to find those RMT employees who earn less than £14,300 a year.

I await your data.

In my case, I am freelance and am doing quite decently, thank you for asking, but were I to be employing anyone, then using the equation you cite, I'd have to ensure none of them were on less than about £3,500 a year.

So can we now put to bed this farcical nonsense about people 'being too well off to dare empathise with those doing worse', for which you can only now even produce a vague idea of what that means, but without anything to suggest that those that you whinge about with this drivel do not abide by.