Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Fri May 02, 2014 10:32 pm  

Two military helicopters downed by anti-Kiev militias, clashes between Far Right and Anti-Kiev Faction sees 3 Right Sector killed and over 30 anti-Kiev supporters killed in a building torched during the fighting.

Due to all this foreign meddling in Ukraine we will probably see a civil war, a proxy three way battle between the E.U, Russia and the U.S with the poor Ukrainians of both East and West being used as the cannon fodder.

How anybody can deny that the overthrow of the former democratically elected government was aided and abetted by the U.S and E.U, using Far Right foot soldiers as the spearhead is a mystery to me. The evidence is clearly out there.

Yanukovych was a corrupt oligarch who leaned towards Russia, ousted by Western IMF Bankster puppets. Some evil lovers, as yet unproven, were willing to gun down protesters to further an agenda. Both sides of the media are extremely biased. Western propaganda and one side of the story competes with RT and a completely different version of events. You have to watch both sides and assume the worst of everybody involved. There is no doubt in my mind that Putin is meddling just as much as the U.S and within the anti-Kiev ranks are some Russian Far Right nationalists, again being used as pawns by bigger players.

If I hear any British politician even mention involving our troops in this potential bloodbath I'll be inclined to punch them in the face.

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sat May 03, 2014 6:45 am  

I certainly wouldn't trust Putin in a month of Sundays, but events of the last decade plus have probably left a lot of people, including me, thinking that every word out of US and British leaders is a load of absolute toss. Every time I see/hear John Kerry, Obama, Hague spout off about the Ukraine situation, I want to punch THEM in the face.

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sat May 03, 2014 8:06 am  

Are there oil and/or gas fields in the Ukraine?

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sat May 10, 2014 11:42 am  

Leaguefan wrote:

Are there oil and/or gas fields in the Ukraine?

Yes.

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sat May 10, 2014 11:47 am  

Ukraine's puppet government says 20 'terrorists' were killed yesterday, the BBC describes them as armed pro Russian activists. RT shows who most of them really were, unarmed civilians. Cameron, Hague and most of out political class should hang their heads in shame for supporting a Fascist led coup in Ukraine, the only politicians I've heard telling the truth about the situation are Nigel Farage and George Galloway! http://rt.com/news/157884-shooting-mari ... n-ukraine/

Ukraine's puppet government says 20 'terrorists' were killed yesterday, the BBC describes them as armed pro Russian activists. RT shows who most of them really were, unarmed civilians. Cameron, Hague and most of out political class should hang their heads in shame for supporting a Fascist led coup in Ukraine, the only politicians I've heard telling the truth about the situation are Nigel Farage and George Galloway! http://rt.com/news/157884-shooting-mari ... n-ukraine/

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sat May 10, 2014 4:25 pm  

What's to stop RT's reporting being any more fabricated than Western journalism?

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sat May 10, 2014 5:02 pm  

The problem is that the east of the country is where the main economic output is, by way of manufacturing.

If that is lost, what is left of the country will probably end up in turmoil.

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Sun May 11, 2014 6:23 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

The problem is that the east of the country is where the main economic output is, by way of manufacturing.

If that is lost, what is left of the country will probably end up in turmoil.

Or alternative modern production facilities could be set up and funded by the EU to provide access to their markets, whilst the outdated and overstaffed factories in the East could simply carry on being a burden to Mr Putin.....

And in answer to the OP's question.Yes, the Ukrainian civil has started. Several months ago actually, but kudos on you for spotting it!

Re: Has the Ukrainian Civil War Begun? : Mon May 19, 2014 5:48 pm  

The situation in Ukraine is not massively different to what we had in Bosnia in the early 90s, albeit with fewer players.