Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun Jul 05, 2020 6:01 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

Not even that but the leavers very much told us that we would be having a soft Brexit - "Norwegian style" they said, "no suggestion of leaving the single market" they said. Since then the lunatic fringe have taken over and have retroactively claimed that a hard Brexit or no-deal Brexit is the only way of fulfilling the vote - a vote they would not have won if they'd been clear on this point. But they lie and lie again about "the will of the people" being obstructed to secure their extremist ideological ends and have no care for what damage it will do to millions of people and thousands of businesses in this country.

stop peddling YOUR opinion as fact...

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:08 am  

IR80 wrote:

stop peddling YOUR opinion as fact...

What was it that Johnson said in regard to business?

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:34 am  

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.amppr ... 56456.html

https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.amppr ... 56456.html

[Mild Rover]

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun Jul 05, 2020 10:51 am  

King Street Cat wrote: What was it that Johnson said in regard to business? In addition to his infamous ‘f business’, it is interesting to see ‘Big businesses are often the enemy of the of the public interest’ in the original Vote Leave prospectus. http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/bri ... wdeal.html It is a fascinating (to me anyway) document. I doubt I would have recognised Cummings’ name or face at the time of the 2016 referendum, but I suspect he wrote the entire thing. It focuses very closely on the themes of his agenda: innovation, efficiency, adaptability and experimentation, and accelerating change. There’s a lot I could easily get on board with, in principle - while wondering about the naive optimism of some of the leaps. On the other hand, while the credit he claims for the Leave victory is perhaps justified in terms of the slogans, I reckon his obsessions are very much not those of the common or garden brexiteer. Indeed many of them would be instinctively against them, including the Farage-Francois types. His radical agenda won the day, sort of, but was underpinned by votes from a very conservative demographic - hence the struggle to construct a coherent plan for Brexit and post-Brexit Britain. While I think he would have still run up against the roadblock of reality, it’d have been interesting to see what he could have done with the support of competent people in power who shared his vision.

King Street Cat wrote: What was it that Johnson said in regard to business? In addition to his infamous ‘f business’, it is interesting to see ‘Big businesses are often the enemy of the of the public interest’ in the original Vote Leave prospectus. http://www.voteleavetakecontrol.org/bri ... wdeal.html It is a fascinating (to me anyway) document. I doubt I would have recognised Cummings’ name or face at the time of the 2016 referendum, but I suspect he wrote the entire thing. It focuses very closely on the themes of his agenda: innovation, efficiency, adaptability and experimentation, and accelerating change. There’s a lot I could easily get on board with, in principle - while wondering about the naive optimism of some of the leaps. On the other hand, while the credit he claims for the Leave victory is perhaps justified in terms of the slogans, I reckon his obsessions are very much not those of the common or garden brexiteer. Indeed many of them would be instinctively against them, including the Farage-Francois types. His radical agenda won the day, sort of, but was underpinned by votes from a very conservative demographic - hence the struggle to construct a coherent plan for Brexit and post-Brexit Britain. While I think he would have still run up against the roadblock of reality, it’d have been interesting to see what he could have done with the support of competent people in power who shared his vision.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:27 pm  

There's no promised land. Well, there is for Johnson. Brexit was just his vehicle to get his turn in No. 10. A turn he believed was his birthright. He never really wanted to own Brexit. I'm pretty sure he'd rather be PM without all this deal or no deal nonsense. I think he'd take a double pandemic over Brexit negotiations! Especially when they are about making sure nobody is inconvenienced by the mess the silly sod has made along the way.

Re: Deepest recession in 100 year ? : Sun Jul 05, 2020 9:48 pm  

Let’s face it he will fall back onto his tried and tested method of just lying because he knows there are many gullible believers in the country. The Brexit disaster will be down to the cost of the pandemic. It will be interesting to see who recovers quicker from the recession US or the EU.