Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:15 am  

vbfg wrote: Except that Dad's Army portrays a group of old men hopelessly out of touch with the situation and the times they live in, never mind the time in which it was made. The "fuzzy wuzzy" comments are meant to date the character and show in a very obvious way to a 1970's audience that even though the war was a very long time ago and from a different era, he is from a very much earlier era and would be completely out of his depth if the Germans ever did invade. In Australia, the people from PNG who helped the australian troops on the Kokoda trail in WW2 are affectionately know to this day as the: Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels. Here's a poem for you: http://www.anzacday.org.au/anzacservice ... ywuzzy.htm So, this thread has lagged. No-one took the subject on as to why a faction of British society feel they aren't being represented. Did anyone even read the report? Yet people still: Called an entire group of people a vile, prejudicial name like "White scum underclass", or have a go and try and be funny (and failing) at an entire nation suggesting that our kiwi friends were backwards. It's funny how threads unwind. Do these comments highlight people's own prejudices? Or, the amount of distain, hate or pre-judgement of others that people are all capable of. So, does anyone represent the white working class in the UK anymore like they used to? And, if they did, would that help matters with regards to the rise of the right wing in the UK and indeed parts of Europe where it appears that some of these so called "white scum underclass" appear to be leaning to politically, whereas in the past, the left wing, would have catered for some of them. Could anyone volunteer their impressions of what's going on?

vbfg wrote: Except that Dad's Army portrays a group of old men hopelessly out of touch with the situation and the times they live in, never mind the time in which it was made. The "fuzzy wuzzy" comments are meant to date the character and show in a very obvious way to a 1970's audience that even though the war was a very long time ago and from a different era, he is from a very much earlier era and would be completely out of his depth if the Germans ever did invade. In Australia, the people from PNG who helped the australian troops on the Kokoda trail in WW2 are affectionately know to this day as the: Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels. Here's a poem for you: http://www.anzacday.org.au/anzacservice ... ywuzzy.htm So, this thread has lagged. No-one took the subject on as to why a faction of British society feel they aren't being represented. Did anyone even read the report? Yet people still: Called an entire group of people a vile, prejudicial name like "White scum underclass", or have a go and try and be funny (and failing) at an entire nation suggesting that our kiwi friends were backwards. It's funny how threads unwind. Do these comments highlight people's own prejudices? Or, the amount of distain, hate or pre-judgement of others that people are all capable of. So, does anyone represent the white working class in the UK anymore like they used to? And, if they did, would that help matters with regards to the rise of the right wing in the UK and indeed parts of Europe where it appears that some of these so called "white scum underclass" appear to be leaning to politically, whereas in the past, the left wing, would have catered for some of them. Could anyone volunteer their impressions of what's going on?

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:21 am  

Rooster Booster wrote: In Australia, the people from PNG who helped the australian troops on the Kokoda trail in WW2 are affectionately know to this day as the: Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels. Here's a poem for you: http://www.anzacday.org.au/anzacservice ... ywuzzy.htm So, this thread has lagged. No-one took the subject on as to why a faction of British society feel they aren't being represented. Did anyone even read the report? Yet people still: Called an entire group of people a vile, prejudicial name like "White scum underclass", or have a go and try and be funny (and failing) at an entire nation suggesting that our kiwi friends were backwards. It's funny how threads unwind. Do these comments highlight people's own prejudices? Or, the amount of distain, hate or pre-judgement of others that people are all capable of. So, does anyone represent the white working class in the UK anymore like they used to? And, if they did, would that help matters with regards to the rise of the right wing in the UK and indeed parts of Europe where it appears that some of these so called "white scum underclass" appear to be leaning to politically, whereas in the past, the left wing, would have catered for some of them. Could anyone volunteer their impressions of what's going on? Far from "lagging" I think you had some perfectly sensible answers. They may not have been the answers you were looking for, they may not have been as inflamatory as you were hoping for, but you got some sensible answers, the moral may be, don't believe everything you read in newspapers especially ones that are reporting second hand news two months after the event - for your information the woman in the original case was apprehended and remanded in prison over christmas, such behaviour being illegal.

Rooster Booster wrote: In Australia, the people from PNG who helped the australian troops on the Kokoda trail in WW2 are affectionately know to this day as the: Fuzzy Wuzzy Angels. Here's a poem for you: http://www.anzacday.org.au/anzacservice ... ywuzzy.htm So, this thread has lagged. No-one took the subject on as to why a faction of British society feel they aren't being represented. Did anyone even read the report? Yet people still: Called an entire group of people a vile, prejudicial name like "White scum underclass", or have a go and try and be funny (and failing) at an entire nation suggesting that our kiwi friends were backwards. It's funny how threads unwind. Do these comments highlight people's own prejudices? Or, the amount of distain, hate or pre-judgement of others that people are all capable of. So, does anyone represent the white working class in the UK anymore like they used to? And, if they did, would that help matters with regards to the rise of the right wing in the UK and indeed parts of Europe where it appears that some of these so called "white scum underclass" appear to be leaning to politically, whereas in the past, the left wing, would have catered for some of them. Could anyone volunteer their impressions of what's going on? Far from "lagging" I think you had some perfectly sensible answers. They may not have been the answers you were looking for, they may not have been as inflamatory as you were hoping for, but you got some sensible answers, the moral may be, don't believe everything you read in newspapers especially ones that are reporting second hand news two months after the event - for your information the woman in the original case was apprehended and remanded in prison over christmas, such behaviour being illegal.

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:56 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

... Could anyone volunteer their impressions of what's going on?

What's going on (according to that report) is that there are white people who perceive that they are badly done-to in terms of housing etc and that "immigrants" are getting unfair advantage.

Note that word "perception", it is not the same as "fact".

Personally, I don't see the need for anyone to represent the "white working class", I just wish someone would represent the "working class".

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:00 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

Far from "lagging" I think you had some perfectly sensible answers.

They may not have been the answers you were looking for, they may not have been as inflamatory as you were hoping for, but you got some sensible answers, the moral may be, don't believe everything you read in newspapers especially ones that are reporting second hand news two months after the event - for your information the woman in the original case was apprehended and remanded in prison over christmas, such behaviour being illegal.

You have just highlighted the percieved injustice some people feel towards the authorities. This woman was remanded in custody apparently for her own protection but 4 Somalian women were given community sentences for a Racist attack on a white woman. The world of the judiciary is truly frightening at times

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:03 am  

Wnidyone2012 wrote:

You have just highlighted the percieved injustice some people feel towards the authorities. This woman was remanded in custody apparently for her own protection but 4 Somalian women were given community sentences for a Racist attack on a white woman. The world of the judiciary is truly frightening at times

The judiciary do make one wonder sometimes.
But that's not a reason for "someone to stand up for for white working class", it's a reason to smarten up the judiciary, maybe.

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:45 am  

The judiciary are far far too much up their own backsides most of the time to worry about anyone irrespective of colour/creed/percieved injustices etc. But the right wing nut jobs and some of the press play on incidents like the one I highlighted to grab attention.

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:50 am  

It's hardly surprising there is – among some – a sense of being unrepresented by mainstream politicians. Nobody has addressed one of the core effects of the decision to de-industrialise – the removal of large numbers of skilled, manual jobs that paid well and the lack of anything to replace them.

No mainstream political party has realistically addressed that.

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:56 am  

Rooster Booster wrote:

Could anyone volunteer their impressions of what's going on?

Yes but we'd be here for hours just trying to type things up i.e. it's far too complex to discuss in detail but here are a few points I think are relevant.

Education
Change in labour market i.e. quality of jobs, availability, wage, stability, from skilled manufacturing to McJobs
Poverty
Failure to engage with political processes
No representation within the national political process
No political choice when voting
Differences in self-empowerment
Expectation/entitlement
Psychological impact of all these issues on persons/families i.e. confidence, self-esteem, stress, depression, mental health, physical health, violence,
Persistent approaches taken by successive governments to divide communities e.g. sexism, racism, homophobia, immigration, public/private sector,
Destruction of society
Shift in society towards individuality without awareness of social responsilibity
Patriarchal system that prevents emotionally mature discussion devoid of political ideology
Class snobbery
Media representations/presentations of people and issues
Positive role models
Simon Cowell

I could go on.

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:05 pm  

McClennan wrote:

... I could go on.

A blinkin' good list to start with, though.

Re: The White Working Class : Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:10 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote:

Far from "lagging" I think you had some perfectly sensible answers.

They may not have been the answers you were looking for, they may not have been as inflamatory as you were hoping for, but you got some sensible answers, the moral may be, don't believe everything you read in newspapers especially ones that are reporting second hand news two months after the event - for your information the woman in the original case was apprehended and remanded in prison over christmas, such behaviour being illegal.

But no-one actually let me know who was representing the WWC. What's with the suggestions mate? Guessing how you think I think, or what answer I was after. I want to know what's going on back home. What the feel is there. Being condescending or rude about an entire nation. What's the go there? Do you feel superior to them?

A question for you personally now then. Would you be prepared to talk to that woman and discuss what her issues or her problems were?