Re: The biggest loser : Wed Jan 18, 2012 12:23 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

I wouldn't like to see the left vote fragmented in the way you describe, it'd be like 1979 when many Labour voters were attracted to the SDP, thereby splitting the left-of-centre vote and letting the Tories take power with a minority of the vote.

One could suggest that some on the right are concerned. After all, why else would the Sunday Times have commissioned a poll, the results of which were published last weekend, on whether or not Ed Milliband was good looking enough to be PM?

Re: The biggest loser : Wed Jan 18, 2012 11:18 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Major and Hague?

Hague has always been a good orator, he's one of the best speakers in the Commons and having been to a university event where he spoke to a crowd of mainly lefties, he certainly came across well and avoided having the patronising Tory attitude.

It wasn't his speaking abilities that let him down, more the fact that he was too young at the time, the Tories were a heavily discredited party and Blair was at his strongest, with a strong economy, so he was easily defeated. I think had Hague not been leader then, and been leader from 2005, the Tories would be a stronger party than they are now.

There were rumours at one time of him having another crack at the leadership but I get the feeling he wants to do other things in life now, he has a lot of business interests and wants to spend more time writing books, so I expect he will retire from politics before too long.

Re: The biggest loser : Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:53 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

... I get the feeling he wants to do other things in life now ... wants to spend more time writing books.

Dear god no, have we not learned anything from messrs Archer and Currie ?

Re: The biggest loser : Thu Jan 19, 2012 3:01 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

Hague has always been a good orator...

He has the ability to waffle in a convincingly authoritative manner, providing you just listen and don't probe further.
When you read it again later, you realise that he said nothing.
I've lost count of the number of times that John Humphries has floored him on the Today programme.
Over Libya and Egypt he was way out of his depth, hadn't a bloody clue about what was going on or what (if anything) to do about it, and kept ducking behind the "Ooh no, that's too secret to tell you" curtain.

Re: The biggest loser : Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:18 pm  

McLaren_Field wrote: Dear god no, have we not learned anything from messrs Archer and Currie ? I confess to having a William Hague book. He is very good.

McLaren_Field wrote: Dear god no, have we not learned anything from messrs Archer and Currie ? I confess to having a William Hague book. He is very good.

Re: The biggest loser : Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:21 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

Major and Hague?

Geoffrey Howe Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Re: The biggest loser : Thu Jan 19, 2012 6:15 pm  

rover49 wrote:

Geoffrey Howe Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

The thing was with those Tories who have been suggested, is that while they were dull to listen to, they did at least look like they carried some gravitas in their posture.

Milliband just looks and sounds like a jumped up prick.....His brother must be privately laughing his cock off at how hopeless Ed really is.