Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:47 pm  

I lived up north (Wigan) until I was 23 and it was always Dinner and Tea. I've lived in the West Mids/Warwickshire for 10 years now so it's become Lunch and Dinner.

Mind you, they also call assorted bread products batches. (Hahaha, it would appear I can't say b@rmcake!)

In response to jackbit - I've always thought it was a generic northern term for a hearty snack in between meals.

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:03 pm  

Ovavoo wrote:

El Barbudo wrote:

I've heard that word.
Where was this ?

Wigan. Don't know were the term originated and I've never heard it used anywhere else but Wigan.

Coming from Leigh I've heard the word quite a bit. However, it's always in the context of "Do you know what jackbit means?"

I've never heard anyone actually say I'm having my jackbit.

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:43 pm  

Kosh wrote: It's lunch and dinner pretty much everywhere in the world apart from the M62 corridor. Nope. Every school in the country that provides meals provides "school dinners". I've never heard of one providing "school lunches" The kids that paid have always taken their dinner money to school, never their lunch money. Even that southern jessy Jamie Oliver knows it's dinners - http://www.jamieoliver.com/school-dinners I don't think it is dinner in any other country as they speak different languages so whatever the word is, "dinner" would not be it. Unless you count American "English", which I don't really, and they I think do or did have a school lunch program, but the cursed Americans are responsible for most of the abominations to the mother tongue, and this confusion is probably just one more confusion-creating example. The origins of "lunch" are clearly in the English invention of "luncheon", and that was traditionally a light "in-between" meal, originally taken by ladies, and certainly no sort of a main meal. A school dinner has always traditionally been a 3 course meal, certainly no less than a hot main course, and a pudding (sorry - "dessert"). If at dinnertime someone (including schoolkids) are not having dinner (eg going on a school trip) they may well take a "packed lunch". That may be like a sandwich, crisps,a biscuit or an apple, maybe a carton of juice, basically light and portable snack food. Everyone knows what (in the context of food) a "lunchbox" is. Schoolchildren might have dinner while at school, but once they start work, they might just have lunch ie a sandwich or a pasty or something, so it is no longer dinner, because it's not a "dinner". Certainly in Yorkshire, though, your big meal in the evening is your "tea", which is a complete change from what began life as "afternoon tea". So a typical Yorkshireman may have a breakfast early doors, and is likely to use "me dinner" interchangeably with "me lunch", but he will always be off home for 'is tea - and never off home for 'is dinner unless at dinnertime. If I say I'll meet you "at dinnertime" - when would you expect me to arrive?

Kosh wrote: It's lunch and dinner pretty much everywhere in the world apart from the M62 corridor. Nope. Every school in the country that provides meals provides "school dinners". I've never heard of one providing "school lunches" The kids that paid have always taken their dinner money to school, never their lunch money. Even that southern jessy Jamie Oliver knows it's dinners - http://www.jamieoliver.com/school-dinners I don't think it is dinner in any other country as they speak different languages so whatever the word is, "dinner" would not be it. Unless you count American "English", which I don't really, and they I think do or did have a school lunch program, but the cursed Americans are responsible for most of the abominations to the mother tongue, and this confusion is probably just one more confusion-creating example. The origins of "lunch" are clearly in the English invention of "luncheon", and that was traditionally a light "in-between" meal, originally taken by ladies, and certainly no sort of a main meal. A school dinner has always traditionally been a 3 course meal, certainly no less than a hot main course, and a pudding (sorry - "dessert"). If at dinnertime someone (including schoolkids) are not having dinner (eg going on a school trip) they may well take a "packed lunch". That may be like a sandwich, crisps,a biscuit or an apple, maybe a carton of juice, basically light and portable snack food. Everyone knows what (in the context of food) a "lunchbox" is. Schoolchildren might have dinner while at school, but once they start work, they might just have lunch ie a sandwich or a pasty or something, so it is no longer dinner, because it's not a "dinner". Certainly in Yorkshire, though, your big meal in the evening is your "tea", which is a complete change from what began life as "afternoon tea". So a typical Yorkshireman may have a breakfast early doors, and is likely to use "me dinner" interchangeably with "me lunch", but he will always be off home for 'is tea - and never off home for 'is dinner unless at dinnertime. If I say I'll meet you "at dinnertime" - when would you expect me to arrive?

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 3:27 pm  

Been in Manchester this week and they have dinnor
.

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 4:32 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

...and a pudding (sorry - "dessert")...

This forum has discussed this before.
Definitely pudding ... seeing as dessert is the fruit and suchlke that comes after the pudding.

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:37 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

This forum has discussed this before.
Definitely pudding ... seeing as dessert is the fruit and suchlke that comes after the pudding.

I'm confused. Surely the fruit is IN the pudding, under the crumble and surrounded by the custard? What else is it for?

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 6:49 pm  

Its Brekkie, Dinner and Tea.

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:58 pm  

wigan_rlfc wrote:

Its Brekkie, Dinner and Tea.

Eric Pickles has 'em all at breakfast, dinner and tea (probably supper for that matter too)

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:35 pm  

Dinner = Main meal of day,
so

Mon - Fri => Dinner in the evening, Lunch during day
Sat/Sun => Dinner during Day => Tea in the evening.

[Kosh]

Re: Lunch ... or dinner? : Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:02 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Nope. Every school in the country that provides meals provides "school dinners". I've never heard of one providing "school lunches"

And yet the midday break is the lunch break. And the time at which school dinners are eaten is referred to as lunchtime.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

The kids that paid have always taken their dinner money to school, never their lunch money.

Both terms are used. The latter is now the more common judging by my kids and their friends.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I don't think it is dinner in any other country as they speak different languages so whatever the word is, "dinner" would not be it. Unless you count American "English", which I don't really, and they I think do or did have a school lunch program, but the cursed Americans are responsible for most of the abominations to the mother tongue, and this confusion is probably just one more confusion-creating example.

You're aware that foreign languages get translated into English, yes? Guess what the English translation for the midday meal is.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

The origins of "lunch" are clearly in the English invention of "luncheon", and that was traditionally a light "in-between" meal, originally taken by ladies, and certainly no sort of a main meal.

Words and their usage change over time. The question asked was not about the origin of the word, but about usage.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

A school dinner has always traditionally been a 3 course meal, certainly no less than a hot main course, and a pudding (sorry - "dessert"). If at dinnertime someone (including schoolkids) are not having dinner (eg going on a school trip) they may well take a "packed lunch". That may be like a sandwich, crisps,a biscuit or an apple, maybe a carton of juice, basically light and portable snack food. Everyone knows what (in the context of food) a "lunchbox" is.

Informative and yet utterly irrelevant.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

Schoolchildren might have dinner while at school, but once they start work, they might just have lunch ie a sandwich or a pasty or something, so it is no longer dinner, because it's not a "dinner". Certainly in Yorkshire, though, your big meal in the evening is your "tea", which is a complete change from what began life as "afternoon tea". So a typical Yorkshireman may have a breakfast early doors, and is likely to use "me dinner" interchangeably with "me lunch", but he will always be off home for 'is tea - and never off home for 'is dinner unless at dinnertime.

Did you miss the bit about the M62 corridor?

And outside of that corridor employees have a lunch break, which at larger companies often incorporates hot meals of more than one course.

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

If I say I'll meet you "at dinnertime" - when would you expect me to arrive?

Late evening. As would my colleagues in Europe. And the USA. Granted I have no direct experience further afield.