Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:47 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I didn't - Goldstone (a widely respected WC jurist and, interestingly, - a Jew) & AA did.

Are they there with you? Cos im pretty sure you typed that, and you didnt quopte this June 2008 - An Israel Hamas ceasefire brokered by Egypt. Each side had obligations. Palestinians - cease rocket and mortar attacks. Israel - gradually lift the blockade (a flagrant violation of international law) sooooooooo

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:54 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Are they there with you? Cos im pretty sure you typed that, and you didnt quopte this June 2008 - An Israel Hamas ceasefire brokered by Egypt. Each side had obligations. Palestinians - cease rocket and mortar attacks. Israel - gradually lift the blockade (a flagrant violation of international law) sooooooooo

You do understand that rocket attacks are against individuals (even though Israel admitted Hamas cracked down on militant groups) whilst a blockade hurts every single Palestinian in Gaza? You are aware of the current "living" conditions in Gaza because of that blockade?

And you think that's a commensurate response? I'd expect someone from the Waffen SS to argue this point in relation to the Warsaw Ghetto, BTW.

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:01 pm  

At the end of the day Hamas are a terrorist organisation and so their democratic right to power is somewhat limited. They really shouldn't be allowed in the vote, given their actions.

Israel by plenty.

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:02 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

You do understand that rocket attacks are against individuals (even though Israel admitted Hamas cracked down on militant groups) whilst a blockade hurts every single Palestinian in Gaza? You are aware of the current "living" conditions in Gaza because of that blockade?

And you think that's a commensurate response? I'd expect someone from the Waffen SS to argue this point in relation to the Warsaw Ghetto, BTW.

Really? Which individuals are they aimed against? Do we have a list of names? If so they really should be released before hand so everyone else can go about their day without worrying they might be killed or maimed by, what up until today, was thought to be indiscriminate rocket and mortar fire.

The Palestinian rocket and mortar fire aimed at civilians, is also a flagrant breach of international law, you can't condemn Israel for breaching international law, but sympathise with the Palestinians for doing so.

[Kosh]

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:05 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

You do understand that rocket attacks are against individuals

Really? I know 'smart weapons' have come a long way but I had no idea that they were that sophisticated. What target discrimination system do they use? How is the blast radius constrained?

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:12 pm  

Do I really need to explain the difference between mostly home-made rockets which are capable of killing individuals (1 to 5 or maybe 10) and cutting many of the most essential supplies to EVERYONE in the Gaza Strip?

I see that I do.

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:18 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Do I really need to explain the difference between mostly home-made rockets which are capable of killing individuals (1 to 5 or maybe 10) and cutting many of the most essential supplies to EVERYONE in the Gaza Strip?

I see that I do.

Let me guess, you want to pretend that the Gaza blockade is a form of collective punishment whilst the indisciminate launch of rockets (the fact the Palestinians dont have very good ones is pretty irrelevant, an incompetant murderer isnt morally better or worse than a competant one) and mortar rounds (circa a hundred today apparently) isnt.

So what is this supposed to teach us? THat It is morally more acceptable for Israel to bomb palestine back to the stone-age, launching hundreds of rockets a day and killing indiscriminately than it is for the to continue their blockade?

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:20 pm  

What about that wall the Israelis built a few years ago ? That's illegal but they won't budge on it.

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:29 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Let me guess, you want to pretend that the Gaza blockade is a form of collective punishment

It IS a form of collective punishment.

whilst the indisciminate launch of rockets (the fact the Palestinians dont have very good ones is pretty irrelevant, an incompetant murderer isnt morally better or worse than a competant one) and mortar rounds (circa a hundred today apparently) isnt.

Israel has no intention of negotiating and will not cease until it controls all of the Gaza strip and West Bank. How much of the West Bank has it stolen already?

The Palestinians have a choice - die or fight. They're fighting.

[Kosh]

Re: Lest we forget : Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:31 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Do I really need to explain the difference between mostly home-made rockets which are capable of killing individuals (1 to 5 or maybe 10) and cutting many of the most essential supplies to EVERYONE in the Gaza Strip?

I see that I do.

I think you just consigned yourself to your own drawer.