Re: Is the Past Better? : Sun Nov 25, 2012 11:18 pm  

The way I see it WW1 was the most destructive war in history. It's results directly led to the second world war. It'd be wrong not to commemorate it. I think we all agree it's not to be celebrated - millions of lives thrown down the toilet for the want of some moral leadership.

In any case I wish Huddersfield the best of luck in their preparations. Should be a very interesting time. 80 tries in one season. I'm afraid I don't know the circumstances all that well but I can't imagine a scenario where that's not extraordinary.

Re: Is the Past Better? : Mon Nov 26, 2012 3:17 pm  

Ivor C&G Scarf wrote:

Perhaps you're a complete something or other. Moron.

why's that then mate ?

you don't 'celebrate' the beginning of a war that killed 20 million (at least) people but you do celebrate the memory of the fallen and the end of such a tragic and unnecessary waste of human life

or is that just me being completely moronic , or something ?

Re: Is the Past Better? : Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:29 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

why's that then mate ?

you don't 'celebrate' the beginning of a war that killed 20 million (at least) people but you do celebrate the memory of the fallen and the end of such a tragic and unnecessary waste of human life

or is that just me being completely moronic , or something ?

As ever, you're incapable of showing any semblance of pragmatism, humour or common sense. Moron.

Re: Is the Past Better? : Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:35 pm  

just_browny wrote:

As ever, you're incapable of showing any semblance of pragmatism, humour or common sense. Moron.

dear oh dear Browny, you do get wound up easily nowadays

what's pragmatism got to do with it ? the idea is completely ridiculous, even you must agree with that and as for the idea being humorous...what's humourous about celebrating the beginning of a war ? unless of course point no.4 is included as a kind of joke ?

as for common sense, must be my frogginess coming out

yours moronically

Re: Is the Past Better? : Mon Nov 26, 2012 8:54 pm  

Ivor, you could just substitute "commemorate" for "celebrate" and then you'd have none of the negative reactions to endure. I'm sure that 2014 will see plenty of commemorations of the start of WW1.

Like your two exhibits. Good luck with the project.

Re: Is the Past Better? : Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:21 am  

Jesus there are some right bells on here.

Re: Is the Past Better? : Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:47 am  

BroncOnIon wrote:

Ivor, you could just substitute "commemorate" for "celebrate" and then you'd have none of the negative reactions to endure. I'm sure that 2014 will see plenty of commemorations of the start of WW1.

Like your two exhibits. Good luck with the project.

Gordon Bennett, you don't usually commemorate, celebrate, mark or do anything else to indicate the START of a war just show your due respect to the fallen to show that the war was fought ie.VE Day, VJ Day & 11th November etc etc

it's not a bad choice of words just a downright stupid idea - if this event is to remembered then maybe the 28th June each year should be the day the 'celebrations' kick-off (Sarajevo 1914 etc) ?

as for the first three points - great ideas and good luck with the venture

Re: Is the Past Better? : Tue Nov 27, 2012 5:35 am  

sanjunien wrote:

Gordon Bennett, you don't usually commemorate, celebrate, mark or do anything else to indicate the START of a war just show your due respect to the fallen to show that the war was fought ie.VE Day, VJ Day & 11th November etc etc

it's not a bad choice of words just a downright stupid idea - if this event is to remembered then maybe the 28th June each year should be the day the 'celebrations' kick-off (Sarajevo 1914 etc) ?

Out of curiosity, why is one not allowed to 'commemorate' or 'mark' the beginning of a war? How is it acceptable that you and you alone decide what others can or cannot commemorate? Does it not show due respect to those brave souls who decided to stand up & fight for their country and/or to help another ally in their time of need (albeit sometimes fruitlessly and under terrible command)? Would you deny those that feel respect is due to their forebears and all those unknown for showing the guts to do what they felt was right (again even if that was under many misconceptions and misrepresentation)?
Maybe it might help remind the kids of today how terrible war/death is not just in the lives lost but the social and intrinsic infrastructure costs for decades afterwards so they are able to grasp the magnitude of it and see the oft futility of war.

So whilst one can respect a personal viewpoint, you should respect others without retorting to using terms like 'Moron', it makes you look...well quite stupid, moronic and IMO disrespectful.

Re: Is the Past Better? : Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:17 am  

tugglesf78 wrote:

Jesus there are some right bells on here.

dave/ivor is trying to do something worthwhile and you get numpties pulling him to bits

Re: Is the Past Better? : Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:31 am  

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]Out of curiosity, why is one not allowed to 'commemorate' or 'mark' the beginning of a war?

maybe it's the norm to commerorate the beginning of a war in the uk - certainly isn't in France so please excuse my ignorance

How is it acceptable that you and you alone decide what others can or cannot commemorate?

I don't 'decide' anything, just give an opinion as is my right on such a forum - you and anyone else can agree with me or not

Does it not show due respect to those brave souls who decided to stand up & fight for their country and/or to help another ally in their time of need (albeit sometimes fruitlessly and under terrible command)? Would you deny those that feel respect is due to their forebears and all those unknown for showing the guts to do what they felt was right (again even if that was under many misconceptions and misrepresentation)?
Maybe it might help remind the kids of today how terrible war/death is not just in the lives lost but the social and intrinsic infrastructure costs for decades afterwards so they are able to grasp the magnitude of it and see the oft futility of war.

quite right and that's why the 11th november is still 'celebrated' as a Bank Holiday in France with usually excellent turnouts at the average Remembrance Day service in the town or village square, it's always an emotional occasion where ALL past and present conflicts are remembered including the present losses in Afghanistan etc - the kids are taught the futility of war as well as the mistakes of the past in the schools - at our recent service in the town square, I estimate 50% of the population turned out with a sizeable percentage of those being under the age of 16

So whilst one can respect a personal viewpoint, you should respect others without retorting to using terms like 'Moron', it makes you look...well quite stupid, moronic and IMO disrespectful.

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all viewpoints are respected but inane ideas (in my opinion only it seems) are moronic but again, please excuse my obvious ignorance of such matters