Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:27 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

And my prediction comes true.

Had Dally posted a link to the daily, daily mail muslim threat nonsense on a thread about islamophobia you would have jumped down his throat with accusations of racism and xenophobia quicker than you could say ‘hitlers favourite newspaper’.

No. You did not 'predict' a story about the state of Israel behaving in a racist manner against a group of Jewish people.

It would be hilarious, though, to see you claim howhis was anti-semitic, given that both victims and perpetrators are Jewish.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:29 pm  

Mintball wrote:

No. You did not 'predict' a story about the state of Israel being racist against a group of Jewish people.

It would be hilarious, though, to see you claim that this was anti-semitic, given that both victims and perpetrators are Jewish.

No my prediction was that this thread regarding anti-semitism would descend in to the usual anti-israel mud throwing. Its exactly what you have done. You couldnt miss the opportunity.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:30 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

No prediction was that this thread regarding anti-semitism would descend in to the usual anti-israel mud throwing. Its exactly what you have done. You couldnt miss the opportunity.

I must say, your defence of the state of Israel in this case could be perceived as quite racist.

At this rate, you'll be in Oz for the start of the NRL season.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:32 pm  

Mintball wrote:

:D

I must say, your defence of the state of Israel in this case could be perceived as quite racist.

At this rate, you'll be in Oz for the start of the NRL season.

I havent made any comment on it at all.

[Kosh]

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:34 pm  

There was an interesting edition of Beyond Belief on R4 yesterday that discussed the rise in attacks on Jews in Europe. Along the way it was pointed out that the anti-Israel/anti-Jew/anti-Semite conflation is used by people and organisations on both sides of the argument. The pro-Israeli side uses it to attack any criticism of the state as being anti-Semitic, while the ant-Jewish side tends to use it to excuse anti-Semitic remarks as being criticism of Israel and it's policies.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:38 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

... I do think people, like yourself, who want to be able to criticise what they want, but see anyone judging them for their standpoints as shutting down the debate, as huge hypocrites ...

I didn't.

You, however, launched yourself on here as, in effect, supporting a classic way of stifling debate about the behaviour of the state of Israel.

You could have posted something about the opening post. You didn't. You posted your 'prediction' of how the thread would turn into something that, at that point anyway, it had not become. In so doing, you – and you alone – changed the nature of the thread.

Well done.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:39 pm  

Durham Giant wrote: Seems any criticism of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians and you are now accused of being anti semitic. What is really sad is that those who are accused then seem to be forced to publicly apologise for daring to criticise Israeli policy in the middle east. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21239917 People really need to stand up to this bullying which prevents fair political comment and debate. Here is a link the Gerald Scarfe cartoon which was slammed http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowI ... ?ID=212363 Here is the link where a Liberal MP was criticised ( what he said was probably the first decent thing i have heard a lib dem say for two years). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-21240036 Back on thread.... I think it was the timing of the cartoon that caused most offence, although I would imagine the anti-Semite card would have been played, albeit on a slightly less public scale. The way in which Israeli people treat Palestinians is atrocious, I understand that besides building on land that doesn't belong to them, there are many racially aggravated assaults without any motive or provocation. the US might hear us!

Durham Giant wrote: Seems any criticism of Israeli policy towards the Palestinians and you are now accused of being anti semitic. What is really sad is that those who are accused then seem to be forced to publicly apologise for daring to criticise Israeli policy in the middle east. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21239917 People really need to stand up to this bullying which prevents fair political comment and debate. Here is a link the Gerald Scarfe cartoon which was slammed http://www.jpost.com/HttpHandlers/ShowI ... ?ID=212363 Here is the link where a Liberal MP was criticised ( what he said was probably the first decent thing i have heard a lib dem say for two years). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-21240036 Back on thread.... I think it was the timing of the cartoon that caused most offence, although I would imagine the anti-Semite card would have been played, albeit on a slightly less public scale. The way in which Israeli people treat Palestinians is atrocious, I understand that besides building on land that doesn't belong to them, there are many racially aggravated assaults without any motive or provocation. the US might hear us!

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:41 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote: I havent made any comment on it at all. No. Of course not. SmokeyTA wrote: Mintball wrote: Actually, rather than start a new thread: Israel's racist policy to stop Ethiopian Jews breeding by giving them contraceptives without consent revealed. And my prediction comes true. Had Dally posted a link to the daily, daily mail muslim threat nonsense on a thread about islamophobia you would have jumped down his throat with accusations of racism and xenophobia quicker than you could say ‘hitlers favourite newspaper’. In other words, this thread has become what I said – anti-semitic etc. Thus, criticising the racist actions of the state of Israel against a group of Jewish people is 'anti-semitic'.

SmokeyTA wrote: I havent made any comment on it at all. No. Of course not. SmokeyTA wrote: Mintball wrote: Actually, rather than start a new thread: Israel's racist policy to stop Ethiopian Jews breeding by giving them contraceptives without consent revealed. And my prediction comes true. Had Dally posted a link to the daily, daily mail muslim threat nonsense on a thread about islamophobia you would have jumped down his throat with accusations of racism and xenophobia quicker than you could say ‘hitlers favourite newspaper’. In other words, this thread has become what I said – anti-semitic etc. Thus, criticising the racist actions of the state of Israel against a group of Jewish people is 'anti-semitic'.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:43 pm  

Kosh wrote:

... The pro-Israeli side ... the ant-Jewish side ...

These are not opposites.

Re: anti semitic or anti Zionist : Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:44 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I didn't.

You, however, launched yourself on here as, in effect, supporting a classic way of stifling debate about the behaviour of the state of Israel.

You could have posted something about the opening post. You didn't. You posted your 'prediction' of how the thread would turn into something that, at that point anyway, it had not become. In so doing, you – and you alone – changed the nature of the thread.

Well done.

I didnt start posting irrelevant anti-israeli posts, you did. The OP hasnt openly and neutrally opened a debate on the nature of anti-semitism, there is a clear and obvious bias in his post and standpoint and previous posts. It was addressed as it should have been. The fact my prediction came through within in a page of it being posted pretty much means my decision to make that prediction defends itself.