Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:52 pm  

Its quite disturbing how quickly people accept extra-judicial murder.

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:04 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Its quite disturbing how quickly people accept extra-judicial murder.

I agree with you.

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:05 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote:

Its quite disturbing how quickly people accept extra-judicial murder.

Glorification leading to a dehumanisation ala Gadaffi.
Sad but true.

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:49 pm  

World of Redboy wrote:

They should just shoot him, then get some bogus organisation to take responsibily. Let his nutter followers have a demonstration over his death, infiltrate it with a couple of plants, let them kick off with a bit of violence, allowing the police to wade in, give them a good kicking before locking them up.

...in some hell-hole in Amman. This case has cost you and I, the UK Taxpayer, millions already, but we should perhaps stump up (sic!) the air fare.

[DaveO]

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:16 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21955844

Well, it seems that Theresa May can't find a legal way of sending this bloke to Jordan to face trial.
What's to be done?

He will be deported eventually. It hinges on if Jordan can be viewed as going to give him a fair trail and not reply on confessions extracted under torture, which his convictions when tried in his absence apparently rely on.

Once the govt can convince the courts Jordan isn't going to rely on torturing co-defendants he will be on a plane.

The government know this is the situation and this is the key phrase from the BBC article:

He said government lawyers had "identified no error of law" and were "quarrelling with findings of fact".


which demolishes May's case in one sentence.

So the reason he hasn't been deported is because May went back to court with insufficient evidence. It begs the question why? Incompetence? Or what?

What it does show is however much everyone wants rid of Abu Qatada the rule of law still applies in the UK. It's why we as a country still command respect in the world and makes it easier for us (for example) to claim we are acting lawfully over things like the Falklands.

So those wanting us to behave as the Italians might and just allow the law to ridden rough shod over to deport him ought to think on that.

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:22 pm  

DaveO wrote:

So the reason he hasn't been deported is because May went back to court with insufficient evidence. It begs the question why? Incompetence? Or what?

The failing of many a Home Secretary over the years. She won't be the last.

What it does show is however much everyone wants rid of Abu Qatada the rule of law still applies in the UK. It's why we as a country still command respect in the world and makes it easier for us (for example) to claim we are acting lawfully over things like the Falklands.

So those wanting us to behave as the Italians might and just allow the law to ridden rough shod over to deport him ought to think on that.

Amen brother.

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:39 am  

World of Redboy wrote:

They should just shoot him, then get some bogus organisation to take responsibily. Let his nutter followers have a demonstration over his death, infiltrate it with a couple of plants, let them kick off with a bit of violence, allowing the police to wade in, give them a good kicking before locking them up.

I would shove him on the plane and tell the courts to do what they must.

[Kosh]

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:42 pm  

rover49 wrote:

I would shove him on the plane and tell the courts to do what they must.

Might be just a tad embarrassing to have the Home Secretary serving time.

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:35 pm  

Kosh wrote:

Might be just a tad embarrassing to have the Home Secretary serving time.

I doubt it would come to that. The problem is that the courts are out of touch with public opinion on this matter, the Home Secretary has done everything she can to gain assurances from Jordan that they will not use 'unsavoury' evidence in his trial, but the judges won't accept this and allow him to stay costing us millions to keep him 'safe' and feed, cloth and house him and his family, while he does his damnedest to cause as much trouble as he can.

Enough is enough, we have a duty to care for 'decent' people who come he for help, but this scumbag and other terrorists and criminals use our weak systems to abuse what was set up to protect those in genuine need of help, not the likes of Qatadar who deserves all he gets. Get rid of him.

My fear is that we will end up with a reaction against all who seek help, rather than those who deserve to be booted out.

[Kosh]

Re: Abu Qatada - the sequel : Sun Mar 31, 2013 3:44 pm  

rover49 wrote:

I doubt it would come to that.

Doubt away, but I think you're mistaken. The alternative is basically the end of the rule of law. No person, or institution, or Government must ever be allowed to simply ignore the law if they find it convenient to do so.

rover49 wrote:

The problem is that the courts are out of touch with public opinion on this matter

Public opinion is not, and never should be, a factor when ruling on matters of law.