Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 1:33 pm  

True.

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 2:11 pm  

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/21/tory-mps-ban-burka-death-penalty-queens-speech_n_3477168.html?utm_hp_ref=uk In case there is any doubt, the wishlist above is from a gaggle of Tory MP's, not the shadowy figures in the background who actually do all of the guiding and pushing, but random right-wing nutters who for some reason or another convinced enough people in their constituency to vote for them - poor old George and David have to listen to them every day too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/06/21/tory-mps-ban-burka-death-penalty-queens-speech_n_3477168.html?utm_hp_ref=uk In case there is any doubt, the wishlist above is from a gaggle of Tory MP's, not the shadowy figures in the background who actually do all of the guiding and pushing, but random right-wing nutters who for some reason or another convinced enough people in their constituency to vote for them - poor old George and David have to listen to them every day too.

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:51 pm  

Mintball wrote:

I have an alternative idea: why not publish the names and profits of all the private landlords who are the real reason the housing benefit bill is so high, with over 80% of all those claiming housing benefit being in work.

While we're at it, let's publish the names of every company that profits from paying at least some of its workers so little that they need in-work benefits to survive.

So virtually every company in the UK!!

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:56 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

Yep, and adding to that, a government set minimum wage, which has never risen above poverty pay (therefore benefit assisted) has ultimately been the failure of the left, and sadly not a success story as many would claim.

Are you suggesting increasing the minimum wage but keeping employers NI at the current level or Increasing minimum wage and lowering employers NI?

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:58 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

Before that admission is made there should be an admission by "economists" and "financial planners" and "political advisers" from all over the world that, actually, not only do wage levels not affect inflation, but that no-one in the whole world actually understands how any of this works, no one.

Its why, when they give you financial advice, they are very careful to tell you that "THIS can happen" but also and at the same time "THAT can happen", its a bit like asking a tipster for advice on which horse to back in any given race and he tells you to back them all, just in case.

Put the human into it and anything can happen. The perfect market doesn't exist but the drivers of inflation are well known one of which is good old supply and demand

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 4:16 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Are you suggesting increasing the minimum wage but keeping employers NI at the current level or Increasing minimum wage and lowering employers NI?

I'm suggesting we pay them an adequate wage that take's away the need for any benefit top-ups.
Or should we scrap it altogether , let employers pay their staff three quid an hour and cut a single persons Jobseekers Allowance to forty quid a week so that they'll be happy and grateful to go out and take any sort of work.
Wad'ya think?

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:03 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Are you suggesting increasing the minimum wage but keeping employers NI at the current level or Increasing minimum wage and lowering employers NI?

Let's see if you can manage a straight answer for once.

Hundreds of thousands of working people are in receipt of benefits because the wages that they are paid do not even cover their basic living needs – not least, accommodation.

In other words, their employers do not pay them enough to live.

1) do you consider this acceptable? If so, why?

2) If you think that something is wrong with this situation, what would you actually propose doing about it?

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 5:11 pm  

<poof> and he's gone again.

Not to keen on these straight questions is he...

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Sun Jun 23, 2013 6:12 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Put the human into it and anything can happen. The perfect market doesn't exist but the drivers of inflation are well known one of which is good old supply and demand

Which isn't what they tell you to your face when they sell you their "investments".

"Hey, give us all of your money and anything could happen", not compelling really is it ?

Re: Let's draw up a list? : Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:54 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

So virtually every company in the UK!!

I wouldn't say "every" but, yes, most of them.

And it's economic madness.
If you give more money to those who already have lots of money, they will either save it (benefitting the domestic economy hardly at all) or invest it overseas (benefitting the domestic economy hardly at all).
They won't spend much more than they were already spending.

If you gave that money to those who have too llittle money, they spend it, benefitting the domestic economy.

Basically, if you have poor people making stuff for rich people and you keep the poor people's income low, you are restricting the market and creating (as we have) a depressed equilibrium of underemployment showing no signs of getting better and plenty of signs of getting worse.