Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:08 pm  

John_D wrote:

That's the problem with miracles these days. They've all been dumbed down. We need a return to more rigorous standards of testing miracles.

As part of the new process, JPII also got rid of the Devil's Advocate too. Now I know it's no "Citizen Kane" but I quite enjoyed it. Pacino was splendidly OTT.

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:28 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

As part of the new process, JPII also got rid of the Devil's Advocate too. Now I know it's no "Citizen Kane" but I quite enjoyed it. Pacino was splendidly OTT.

Wasn't Keanu Reeves in it as well ?

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:29 pm  

As miracle no.1 was apparently from the grave (or heaven), being performed a month after his death, he is seriously one talented dude.

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:39 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

Wasn't Keanu Reeves in it as well ?

Yep.

Or Saint Ted "Theodore" Logan as he's better known

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:50 pm  

tigertot wrote:

As miracle no.1 was apparently from the grave (or heaven), being performed a month after his death, he is seriously one talented dude.

I don't think you get this miracles lark. Doing them when dead is kinda the whole point.

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:59 pm  

The whole concept is just so weird, though, isn't it? I mean, if you had a problem, then with a whole host of existing Saints to pray to, not to mention god, who are these people that take what must amount to a pure chance on some whippersnapper who might not be any good at all? Then again, maybe it's like a call centre, but everyone has to take their own calls. On that basis, it might be very hard to get through to, say, St. Peter, who is bound to be very busy, so maybe the supplicant took a calculated gamble by picking an apprentice, who logically would be a lot quieter. If you were a jaded deity, hard-bitten by millennia of trillions of good, bad and indifferent prayers, then I can see how even professionally-prepared prayers may not make it to the playlist. God has declared that he is hearing all the prayers for Nelson Mandela, but has yet to make his mind up on whether he’s going to listen.

The whole concept is just so weird, though, isn't it? I mean, if you had a problem, then with a whole host of existing Saints to pray to, not to mention god, who are these people that take what must amount to a pure chance on some whippersnapper who might not be any good at all? Then again, maybe it's like a call centre, but everyone has to take their own calls. On that basis, it might be very hard to get through to, say, St. Peter, who is bound to be very busy, so maybe the supplicant took a calculated gamble by picking an apprentice, who logically would be a lot quieter. If you were a jaded deity, hard-bitten by millennia of trillions of good, bad and indifferent prayers, then I can see how even professionally-prepared prayers may not make it to the playlist. God has declared that he is hearing all the prayers for Nelson Mandela, but has yet to make his mind up on whether he’s going to listen.

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:06 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

I don't think you get this miracles lark. Doing them when dead is kinda the whole point.

So when the Big J healed the blind, walked on water, cleansed the odd leper he was actaully dead? This religion stuff is confusing. Where does Greavesie fit into all this?

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:09 pm  

tigertot wrote:

So when the Big J healed the blind, walked on water, cleansed the odd leper he was actaully dead? This religion stuff is confusing. Where does Greavesie fit into all this?

Look, the only ones that need to do it when they're dead are those looking to upgrade, silly.

Re: Saint Karol : Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:14 pm  

If I want a miracle enacted, how do I know which Saint is reliable?
Is there a sort of celestial comparethebeatified.com ?

Re: Saint Karol : Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:19 am  

El Barbudo wrote: If I want a miracle enacted, how do I know which Saint is reliable? Is there a sort of celestial comparethebeatified.com ? Of course! http://saints.sqpn.com/

El Barbudo wrote: If I want a miracle enacted, how do I know which Saint is reliable? Is there a sort of celestial comparethebeatified.com ? Of course! http://saints.sqpn.com/