Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:09 am  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

If it wasn't an accident.

in which case the other child would have already complained to the police, and the teachers wouldn't have any need to be collecting statements on behalf of the police. If it is a police matter then the teachers should have nothing to do with it, and the boy should be giving a statement to the police only and in the presence of a solicitor and his parents.

Sounds to me like the teachers are trying to bully the child into changing his statement to suit their own needs in the schools internal disciplinary proceedings.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:26 am  

EHW wrote:

in which case the other child would have already complained to the police, and the teachers wouldn't have any need to be collecting statements on behalf of the police. If it is a police matter then the teachers should have nothing to do with it, and the boy should be giving a statement to the police only and in the presence of a solicitor and his parents.

Sounds to me like the teachers are trying to bully the child into changing his statement to suit their own needs in the schools internal disciplinary proceedings.

I was just answering the question that was asked.

If you read my first response I was very much against the teachers bullying the child by lying about police involvement.

If there was a suspicion that it was a deliberate act, then I think the teachers shouldn't have been threatening police involvement, they should have called the police straight in and let them investigate it. There was no reason for the teachers to talk about police involvement if it was an accident. And their invoking the police was bullying and intimidation.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:53 pm  

Looks like the teachers may have been conspiring to pervert the course of justice? Jailable offence if so.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:37 pm  

Dally wrote:

Looks like the teachers may have been conspiring to pervert the course of justice? Jailable offence if so.

If it was an ongoing police case and they did this I'd agree. I don't think it's a police issue though.

I suspect that they are just trying to get the stories straight so that the kid gets his compensation from the insurance company and the teachers don't end up getting fired or severely reprimanded over it.

Or it could be a case of minimising the potential damage to the school.

Whatever it is I think they are doing it in a terrible fashion.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:17 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

If it was an ongoing police case and they did this I'd agree. I don't think it's a police issue though.

I suspect that they are just trying to get the stories straight so that the kid gets his compensation from the insurance company and the teachers don't end up getting fired or severely reprimanded over it.

Or it could be a case of minimising the potential damage to the school.

Whatever it is I think they are doing it in a terrible fashion.

If it becomes a police case (as it may do or at least the teachers are threatening that) could it not be (maybe not, I do not know?). Could there be a question of black-mail or does that only arise where pecuniary gain is involved? A child has been seriously harmed, could that become a police matter or would it be always civil? The teachers / school are in the front line of a claim potentially and seem to have been acting (from what we can gather / infer) in a way that could falsify facts pertinent to that claim. If I were the teachers concerned I would be booking my one way ticket to South America now.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:16 pm  

Will only be a police case if the child/ children have been neglected by the school. This will be brushed under the carpet. The only thing schools care about are offsted reports.

Write out a draft letter to the local rag, but show it to the headmaster first. State that if the school imposed discipline, starting with pupils wearing full correct uniform, and the children were supervised at all times, which they should be whilst in school grounds, then terrible accidents like this will not happen.

Worth mentioning the number of stand in teachers that have been brought in this year and the number who have been on long term sick.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:16 pm  

Will only be a police case if the child/ children have been neglected by the school. This will be brushed under the carpet. The only thing schools care about are offsted reports.

Write out a draft letter to the local rag, but show it to the headmaster first. State that if the school imposed discipline, starting with pupils wearing full correct uniform, and the children were supervised at all times, which they should be whilst in school grounds, then terrible accidents like this will not happen.

Worth mentioning the number of stand in teachers that have been brought in this year and the number who have been on long term sick.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:21 pm  

toast wrote:

Will only be a police case if the child/ children have been neglected by the school. This will be brushed under the carpet. The only thing schools care about are offsted reports.

Write out a draft letter to the local rag, but show it to the headmaster first. State that if the school imposed discipline, starting with pupils wearing full correct uniform, and the children were supervised at all times, which they should be whilst in school grounds, then terrible accidents like this will not happen.

Worth mentioning the number of stand in teachers that have been brought in this year and the number who have been on long term sick.

I've stayed out of this thread as I have insufficient facts to be able to comment but toast has deffo nailed it there.
If only they'd worn uniform, none of this would have happened.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:31 pm  

I'm on about the general level of discipline in the school in the first place. A uniform is a statement of discipline and is the first piece of discipline a schoolchild encounters in his schooling years.

Have a look at children coming out of schools and what their uniform looks like. This generally tells you the quality of the school, which is primarily enforced by the headmaster.

Re: How far can teachers go ? : Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:41 pm  

toast wrote:

Have a look at children coming out of schools and what their uniform looks like. This generally tells you the quality of the school.

IDS has the stats (or beliefs, if pushed) to back up this stupid 5hit.