Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:13 am  

Following yesterday's Opposition Day debate on the Bedroom Tax, I wonder how many LimpDem MPs will be worried about facing their constituents. After the grassroots voted overwhelmingly against the Bedroom Tax at the national conference, a grand total of TWO voted against the government's amendment (which was basically a repeat of the "it's all Labour's fault" mantra).

So by my reckoning that's 54 LimpDem MPs who either abstained, voted for the government amendment or simply couldn't be bothered to turn up.

Spineless 2@s

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:22 am  

@ChriswMP seems to have tweeted quite a list of votes - plus a link to a full list. Also claims that Tory MPs Kwasi Kwateng and Therese Coffey were laughing during Jack Dromey" speech about a constituent who killed themselves as a result of the bedroom tax. He says tha presumably they weren't bothering to listen.

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:35 am  

DaveO wrote:

If people want a say then they should join the party. Then you get one.

So if people have a particular political view they can attempt to influence who their candidate for MP is.

It might be the person selected is not the one you favour but if you are completely at odds with the politics of the candidates from the other parties you have a simple choice. Vote in a way that may end up helping a government be formed you are opposed to or accept the fact you took part in the process of candidate selection, move on, accept nothing is perfect but at least you took part in the process and vote in what you see as the national interest.

It's no excuse to vote for an MP who is good at dealing with local issues who is going to vote to privatise the NHS (to give an example) when it is within everyones reach to actually at least try and influence the selection of a candidate locally from the party they would want to see govern nationally.

People vote the way they do for some bizarre reasons. Relatives once voted Tory because they felt John Major was a "strong leader". I was baffled by that and tried to explain you aren't voting for him anyway but for a set of polices that in my view would do the country no good.

It's the same here and there is no excuse not to get involved if people feel that strongly.

Valid points.
Looks like we're stuck with it.

[DaveO]

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 11:52 am  

Mintball wrote: @ChriswMP seems to have tweeted quite a list of votes - plus a link to a full list. Also claims that Tory MPs Kwasi Kwateng and Therese Coffey were laughing during Jack Dromey" speech about a constituent who killed themselves as a result of the bedroom tax. He says tha presumably they weren't bothering to listen. I saw some of the comment about this posted on the Guardian rolling politics blog. A couple of things stood out. First whoever it was speaking for the government, they reckoned they had done a better job if it then IDS ever would as they reckon IDS would have totally lost it pretty early on in the debate. This made me think IDS didn't run away to Paris but was sent there to be kept out of harms way! Secondly, despite the liability that is IDS not being present Labour still carried the day morally with their arguments with the Interventions by MP's supporting their motion particularly telling. This one stood out: And here's what the Labour MP Stephen Pound said about his brother being a victim of the bedroom tax in the debate. There is a young man who lives in Earls Court who is in total renal failure. May I tell you that this man's spare bedroom is a dialysis unit. He has been told that he now has to pay the bedroom tax. He is very happy with the efforts of his MP, not of my political persuasion, to attempt to free him from the chains of the bedroom tax, but my brother faces losing his home of 20 years for being a kidney patient. Do you not agree with me that this is beyond disgrace? From here With cases like that the fact the majority of Lib Dems still voted as they did shows they simply can't be trusted. They lied before the election and now despite obvious cases such as the one above and their own conferences rejection of the bedroom tax they still vote for it. Whatever is in a 2015 Lib Dem manifesto simply can't be believed.

Mintball wrote: @ChriswMP seems to have tweeted quite a list of votes - plus a link to a full list. Also claims that Tory MPs Kwasi Kwateng and Therese Coffey were laughing during Jack Dromey" speech about a constituent who killed themselves as a result of the bedroom tax. He says tha presumably they weren't bothering to listen. I saw some of the comment about this posted on the Guardian rolling politics blog. A couple of things stood out. First whoever it was speaking for the government, they reckoned they had done a better job if it then IDS ever would as they reckon IDS would have totally lost it pretty early on in the debate. This made me think IDS didn't run away to Paris but was sent there to be kept out of harms way! Secondly, despite the liability that is IDS not being present Labour still carried the day morally with their arguments with the Interventions by MP's supporting their motion particularly telling. This one stood out: And here's what the Labour MP Stephen Pound said about his brother being a victim of the bedroom tax in the debate. There is a young man who lives in Earls Court who is in total renal failure. May I tell you that this man's spare bedroom is a dialysis unit. He has been told that he now has to pay the bedroom tax. He is very happy with the efforts of his MP, not of my political persuasion, to attempt to free him from the chains of the bedroom tax, but my brother faces losing his home of 20 years for being a kidney patient. Do you not agree with me that this is beyond disgrace? From here With cases like that the fact the majority of Lib Dems still voted as they did shows they simply can't be trusted. They lied before the election and now despite obvious cases such as the one above and their own conferences rejection of the bedroom tax they still vote for it. Whatever is in a 2015 Lib Dem manifesto simply can't be believed.

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:19 pm  

DaveO wrote:

Whatever is in a 2015 Lib Dem manifesto simply can't be believed.

I am so looking forward to when that fat bastad David Heath hits the campaign trail in 2015

Now I know yesterday's debate didn't concern pubs or real ale but does Jerry Chicken know how his LimpDem MP voted?

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:48 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I am so looking forward to when that fat bastad David Heath hits the campaign trail in 2015

Now I know yesterday's debate didn't concern pubs or real ale but does Jerry Chicken know how his LimpDem MP voted?

Yep, he abstained.

Which didn't surprise me as he's abstained on quite a few issues in the past, as did many other LibDems, haven't read his blog yet but the last issue that he abstained on (can't remember what it was) was explained by the fact that he was broadly in favour of the vote but did not like the way the legislation was worded.

Its disappointing that he doesn't vote the way you as an individual want him to but it is a tactic that his party use quite frequently.

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:49 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I am so looking forward to when that fat bastad David Heath hits the campaign trail in 2015

Now I know yesterday's debate didn't concern pubs or real ale but does Jerry Chicken know how his LimpDem MP voted?

It won't matter.
His manlove bonding with Gregory is unbreakable.

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:51 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

It won't matter.
His manlove bonding with Gregory is unbreakable.

An MP who campaigns for better beer for everyone and is a big RL fan, whats not to like ?

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:56 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

An MP who campaigns for better beer for everyone and is a big RL fan, whats not to like ?

Good enough reasons as any, I'd agree.
Far bigger t0sspots in that party to be concerned with.

Re: Dorries - a case for de-selection? : Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:08 am  

This is most strange why go to all that trouble and then abstain, I await his explanation.

This is most strange why go to all that trouble and then abstain, I await his explanation.