Re: HS2 rail link : Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:55 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

But not as full as original lanes would have been without it- correct? But hey let's not consider that. We are the hard done northerners

That remains to be seen - my point is that it's been 3 years and counting since the work started, making South Yorkshire virtually impassible in both directions during both rush hours; and what we'll get when they eventually finish, is an extra lane in place of the hard shoulder, and variable speed limits.

Before HS2, it would seem to make more sense to improve connectivity between Northern cities; that might actually take some cars off the road?

Re: HS2 rail link : Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:18 pm  

M1 Luton - M25 London, M3 Farnborough to M25, M25 past Heathrow, M25 generally, M6 Bham...............

Its not just happening up North! Smart motorways are coming. Don't feel the pain is just at your front door. Southerners commute is typically longer than that of someone up north.......he pulls the hand grenade pin

Re: HS2 rail link : Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:42 pm  

bren2k wrote:

That remains to be seen - my point is that it's been 3 years and counting since the work started, making South Yorkshire virtually impassible in both directions during both rush hours

The stretch of the M1 between junction 30 and 32 seems to have been in a perpetual state of roadworks for the last 10 years or more. I don't remember a time when it wasn't in some part coned or under 50mph speed restrictions. If it's the same contractor doing the 'work' they must have made billions out of it!

Re: HS2 rail link : Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:15 pm  

Exiled down south wrote:

M1 Luton - M25 London, M3 Farnborough to M25, M25 past Heathrow, M25 generally, M6 Bham...............

Its not just happening up North! Smart motorways are coming. Don't feel the pain is just at your front door. Southerners commute is typically longer than that of someone up north.......he pulls the hand grenade pin

I think you've missed the point.

Re: HS2 rail link : Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:37 pm  

I would suggest 1 mile of railway would cost less to build than 1 mile of motorway, dual carriageway or even trunk road. It would probably be more environmentally friendly and use less land. When in use , using modern technology it would be more efficient and cost effective moving people and allowing goods to be moved quicker.
It would benefit EVERYONE in the same way roads do.
The fact this is not the case is down to short termism, ignorance, nimbys and political dogma. Perhaps if motorists paid the true cost of travelling,just like rail users, their "views" may change, but somehow I doubt it.
Freedom they cry at others expense.

Re: HS2 rail link : Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:30 am  

I would suggest 1 mile of railway would cost less to build than 1 mile of motorway, dual carriageway or even trunk road. It would probably be more environmentally friendly and use less land. When in use , using modern technology it would be more efficient and cost effective moving people and allowing goods to be moved quicker.

Have you modelled the movement of people and goods? What goods do you refer to and what % of goods movement nationally does it constitute??

Surely Transport needs to be look at holistically. Trainline development may be cheaper but it is limited in where it goes and how many passengers and tonnes of goods it transports. Similaly cycle lanes, paths, bus routes...

Re: HS2 rail link : Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:11 am  

Leaguefan wrote:

I would suggest 1 mile of railway would cost less to build than 1 mile of motorway, dual carriageway or even trunk road. It would probably be more environmentally friendly and use less land. When in use , using modern technology it would be more efficient and cost effective moving people and allowing goods to be moved quicker.
It would benefit EVERYONE in the same way roads do.
The fact this is not the case is down to short termism, ignorance, nimbys and political dogma. Perhaps if motorists paid the true cost of travelling,just like rail users, their "views" may change, but somehow I doubt it.
Freedom they cry at others expense.

Being able to get from Manchester to London an hour quicker than now will be of benifit to about 0.00001% of the people who travel down the M6 every day

Trains no longer work in this country , they are fine for shifting commuters into cities and shifting bulk materials , that's it

Re: HS2 rail link : Tue Nov 22, 2016 12:48 pm  

GUBRATS wrote:

Being able to get from Manchester to London an hour quicker than now will be of benifit to about 0.00001% of the people who travel down the M6 every day

Trains no longer work in this country , they are fine for shifting commuters into cities and shifting bulk materials , that's it

its a good point. we are seeing increasing developments on the edges of major towns and cities - offices, shopping centres, stadia to name just 3, and these are typically connected by road first and foremost. rail connections if they exist at all tend to be on branch lines meaning travellers still have to change in city centre stations taking more time and effort. meadowhall is an exception to this rather than the rule - just look at how awkward it was to get to coventry by rail for the recent match for example

Re: HS2 rail link : Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:56 pm  

the artist wrote:

its a good point. we are seeing increasing developments on the edges of major towns and cities - offices, shopping centres, stadia to name just 3, and these are typically connected by road first and foremost. rail connections if they exist at all tend to be on branch lines meaning travellers still have to change in city centre stations taking more time and effort. meadowhall is an exception to this rather than the rule - just look at how awkward it was to get to coventry by rail for the recent match for example

We used to have a very comprehensive network of rail connections, then Dr Beeching took an axe to it; now the rail network is next to useless to many commuters, so they take to the roads - and all the issues that come with that ensue, not least congestion and environmental impact. I have some sympathy with the poster who suggested that motorists don't pay the true cost of using the roads - but I'm not sure how you would levy that in any meaningful way, since we all use them to varying degrees and in a different way. As far as developers go - in terms of housing, retail, employment and leisure - the car is very definitely king, so if you can't afford one, you're screwed.

One thing's for sure - our transport infrastructure is at breaking point, so shaving some time off the journey to London seems, from a Northern perspective, more like a vanity project.

Re: HS2 rail link : Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:55 am  

so shaving some time off the journey to London seems, from a Northern perspective

Have you ever considered that trains tend to go both ways?