Re: Statues : Fri Aug 18, 2017 3:17 pm  

Yet nothing seems to go on to readdress wealth that was gained through ill gotten means, or property and land acquisition, or industrial might, but let's pull down a few statues and the downtrodden minions will be happy again.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Statues : Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:07 pm  

Statues are rarely the issue it is what they symbolise and how they are used. If statutes of Lee are just seen as historical statues then no one cares. It is when the racists and KKK etc use them to symbolise their views and bark back to what they see as the glory days of slavery and racism that they become relevant today and people want to take them down. It is not something that has blanket approach though. Lee in a southern state is probably more of an issue than Lincoln in Washington. It has ever been thus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35787116 The guy who blew up Nelson was not attacking nelson per se but what it represented at the time of Irish independence

Statues are rarely the issue it is what they symbolise and how they are used. If statutes of Lee are just seen as historical statues then no one cares. It is when the racists and KKK etc use them to symbolise their views and bark back to what they see as the glory days of slavery and racism that they become relevant today and people want to take them down. It is not something that has blanket approach though. Lee in a southern state is probably more of an issue than Lincoln in Washington. It has ever been thus http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35787116 The guy who blew up Nelson was not attacking nelson per se but what it represented at the time of Irish independence

Re: Statues : Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:55 am  

shinymcshine wrote:

Don't you just leave them there as a reminder to no repeat the mistakes of the past?

Most of the ones I've seen I have no idea who they are or why they are there, but they are a representation of a snapshot in time, so I can't really get "offended" by them.

I know a museum in Leeds that has/had a track suit of Jimmy Savile. I wouldn't like to see that on show, irrespective of a snapshot in time.

Re: Statues : Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:14 pm  

tigertot wrote:

I know a museum in Leeds that has/had a track suit of Jimmy Savile. I wouldn't like to see that on show, irrespective of a snapshot in time.

Pretty sure those organisations that benefited from his charity work didn't decide to hand back the money he'd raised for them though.

This is the sort of "double standard" that irks me.

Let's pull down a statue or remove their artifacts from history, but only up to the point when it becomes financially inconvenient to do so.

Re: Statues : Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:17 pm  

Interestingly there's a call to tear down Nelson's Column, due to his support of slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xt-slavery

Interestingly there's a call to tear down Nelson's Column, due to his support of slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xt-slavery

Re: Statues : Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:01 pm  

shinymcshine wrote: Interestingly there's a call to tear down Nelson's Column, due to his support of slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xt-slavery Nothing interesting about it. A leftist journalist of partially Gharnaian descent views Nelson's column as celebrating white supremacism and slavery. She's clearly just trying to provoke reaction by insisting Britain hasn't moved on from that time due to "inertia, arrogance and intellectual laziness". I happened to see Ms Hirsch on some news channel earlier. Sat there with a smug smirk on her face throughout while an academic calmly and intelligently destroyed her. History should always be considered in the context of the standards of the time - many of which were brutal - and not in the hindsight of social media-stoked snowflake leftist bullsht. Much of history and probably most of our most important historical characters would be deeply unpleasant by today's delicate standards. Should we erase it all? Perhaps Italy and much of Europe should destroy all Roman artifacts? Slavery, empire and genocide were rife in them far bygone days. Dynamite the Coliseum? Flatten the Palatine? Get a grip.

shinymcshine wrote: Interestingly there's a call to tear down Nelson's Column, due to his support of slavery: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... xt-slavery Nothing interesting about it. A leftist journalist of partially Gharnaian descent views Nelson's column as celebrating white supremacism and slavery. She's clearly just trying to provoke reaction by insisting Britain hasn't moved on from that time due to "inertia, arrogance and intellectual laziness". I happened to see Ms Hirsch on some news channel earlier. Sat there with a smug smirk on her face throughout while an academic calmly and intelligently destroyed her. History should always be considered in the context of the standards of the time - many of which were brutal - and not in the hindsight of social media-stoked snowflake leftist bullsht. Much of history and probably most of our most important historical characters would be deeply unpleasant by today's delicate standards. Should we erase it all? Perhaps Italy and much of Europe should destroy all Roman artifacts? Slavery, empire and genocide were rife in them far bygone days. Dynamite the Coliseum? Flatten the Palatine? Get a grip.

Re: Statues : Fri Aug 25, 2017 4:56 am  

Wow, you're a bit hostile aren't you?

I used 'interestingly' as its related to a previous post where someone mentioned Nelson in a different context.

'Get a grip', well if you'd bothered to read my posts I'm pretty sure my 'grip' is fairly robust, and somewhat aligned with many of your sentiments.

Re: Statues : Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:50 am  

Bullseye wrote:

Should the Iraqis in Baghdad have left that one of Saddam up?

Or all those ones of Lenin, Stalin and Co that were around Eastern Europe?

As DGM says times change. There's no changing the history that I can see.

Never mind statues - Lenin himself is still there

Re: Statues : Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:46 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

Wow, you're a bit hostile aren't you?

I used 'interestingly' as its related to a previous post where someone mentioned Nelson in a different context.

'Get a grip', well if you'd bothered to read my posts I'm pretty sure my 'grip' is fairly robust, and somewhat aligned with many of your sentiments.

Apologies, that wasn't actually aimed at you - more at the leftist faux outrage bandwagon rampaging through our lives demanding the entire world revolves according to their increasingly ridiculous and impossible standards.

Heard my nephew singing 'bah bah rainbow sheep' the other day and nearly burst a vein.

Re: Statues : Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:24 pm  

Heard my nephew singing 'bah bah rainbow sheep' the other day and nearly burst a vein.

Why are sheep now to be depicted as gay?