Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:16 am  

Why is FIFA's RRP £55?

And what is the special edition?

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:59 am  

Mark_W wrote:

Why is FIFA's RRP £55?

Standard RRP for any game is £49.99. FIFA 12s is £54.99 because of the special edition pre-order.

Mark_W wrote:

And what is the special edition?

The special editions are where you get the game plus either 18 or 24 gold Ultimate Team Packs. You get these to download 3 or 4 per month for the next six months.

Ultimate Team gold packs cost 80MS points on FIFA 11. So if the prices are the same that's 1440 (or 1920) MS points you get with the special edition. Which at £0.85 per 100 points equates to a £12.24 saving for the 18 pack edition or a £16.32 saving for the 24 pack edition.

I think the special edition is pre-order only? I might be wrong on that.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:03 pm  

Order it off shopto.net. Its cheaper, and you get it the day before it goes on general release most of the time.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:22 pm  

Been playing the PES demo today and I'm actually really enjoying it. It's not perfect, but by heck it's a lot more realistic than Fifa. Crisp passing, good control with time and space to pick out the run and weight the pass up. Real deflections and tackling reactions, proper balance physics with pace and strength being reflective of stats. It seems a really good game and I've enjoyed playing the demo so far

The only flaw so far is the long shooting, which actually seems a bit too good for now, I've scored a few stormers which the 'keeper should have got to, maybe it's a problem with the goalkeeping?

The thing that has impressed me the most has been the way everything seems responsive and 'real'. In Fifa, if you have a shot that the defender blocks, the majority of the time, he will just control it as though it was a soft pass, or the ball will deflect straight to a player. On PES, you have things like 50/50s, you have true deflections and the header I scored before was really reflective of the difference between the two games. I put an out-swinging corner into the box, my player who was running across the penalty spot jumped in the air and just steered the ball into the top corner. It was no running power header, it was like a real goal, using the pace of the ball and steering it in. On Fifa, you simply don't score goals like that, as all headed goals are power headers where you've got the march on the defender.

As I was saying, so far I'm impressed. The game seems to have good physics and balance, whilst it isn't perfect to look at or listen to (is there really no commentary?), in terms of gameplay, it's really strong. Only problem is, IMO, it seems to be made for the arcades, which is kind of understandable with it being Japanese, but for those that aren't after that and want the casual style of Fifa, then PES probably isn't for you.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:38 pm  

Anybody on here got the new Madden yet? If so does anybody know of the best ways to build up coins on Madden Ultimate Team without actually buying packs/coins? PS3 if that makes any difference.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:39 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Been playing the PES demo today and I'm actually really enjoying it. It's not perfect, but by heck it's a lot more realistic than Fifa. Crisp passing, good control with time and space to pick out the run and weight the pass up. Real deflections and tackling reactions, proper balance physics with pace and strength being reflective of stats. It seems a really good game and I've enjoyed playing the demo so far

The only flaw so far is the long shooting, which actually seems a bit too good for now, I've scored a few stormers which the 'keeper should have got to, maybe it's a problem with the goalkeeping?

The thing that has impressed me the most has been the way everything seems responsive and 'real'. In Fifa, if you have a shot that the defender blocks, the majority of the time, he will just control it as though it was a soft pass, or the ball will deflect straight to a player. On PES, you have things like 50/50s, you have true deflections and the header I scored before was really reflective of the difference between the two games. I put an out-swinging corner into the box, my player who was running across the penalty spot jumped in the air and just steered the ball into the top corner. It was no running power header, it was like a real goal, using the pace of the ball and steering it in. On Fifa, you simply don't score goals like that, as all headed goals are power headers where you've got the march on the defender.

As I was saying, so far I'm impressed. The game seems to have good physics and balance, whilst it isn't perfect to look at or listen to (is there really no commentary?), in terms of gameplay, it's really strong. Only problem is, IMO, it seems to be made for the arcades, which is kind of understandable with it being Japanese, but for those that aren't after that and want the casual style of Fifa, then PES probably isn't for you.

So it's more realistic and the passing, momentum, tackling, ball physics and AI are all better than FIFA? Really? Are you sure?

All the demo reviews I've read have highlighted the keepers issue, so that's an easy fix. But they also criticised the dribbling, the controls for taking someone on in a one on one, the off the ball running controls, the animation and the ease with which ping pong passes can be made. Looking at it on youtube the thing that gets me about pro evo is the animation. It's just not of the quality of FIFA.

I might give it a go on the PC in a bit, you can't get it on the Xbox yet as they rejected it.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:00 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

So it's more realistic and the passing, momentum, tackling, ball physics and AI are all better than FIFA? Really? Are you sure?

All the demo reviews I've read have highlighted the keepers issue, so that's an easy fix. But they also criticised the dribbling, the controls for taking someone on in a one on one, the off the ball running controls, the animation and the ease with which ping pong passes can be made. Looking at it on youtube the thing that gets me about pro evo is the animation. It's just not of the quality of FIFA.

I might give it a go on the PC in a bit, you can't get it on the Xbox yet as they rejected it.

It depends how you want to define those things, in many ways, yes it is more realistic than Fifa. I don't think there's much in the passing (Fifa's lobbed through balls are better, but PES' long ball (the one you usually use square for) is far superior, as you can switch play with much more consistency than Fifa.)

The dribbling, so far anyway, has been better than Fifa's. Fifa's dribbling is one of its weakest aspects IMO, I mean, has anybody ever played with Messi on the game and tried to beat a defender 1v1? It doesn't matter what the defender's rating, the chances of you beating defenders 1v1 in Fifa aren't great, not when you consider Messi's stats on those attributes. With PES, I've found the dribbling to be decent, I've had players cock up a dribble and over run the ball, but, to be honest, I've only tried to dribble with good dribblers. So when I'm dribbling the ball with a player like Nani or Robinho, I expect to be able to regularly beat players 1v1, which I have done on PES.

I can't understand what you mean about momentum? Are you talking about the momentum physic on Fifa with regards to shooting? i.e. if you get enough momentum (sprints without being challenged) the chances of the shot going in are higher? Or are you talking about momentum as a team, i.e. if you score a goal, your team gets momentum behind them and start playing better? If it's the latter, I've never really seen this in Fifa or PES to be honest.

Tackling seems better in PES, if a player is tripped, he goes down, if he is tapped, he will stay up. Fifa's tackling is broken IMO. The amount of times I've tackled players on Fifa, whether it be slide or standing, and not come out with the ball, I've lost count. Again, tackling is one of Fifa's weakest aspects, especially when you throw in the ridiculously easy CPU-assist, which is another thing I feel has been necessarily toned down in PES, as in Fifa, it's just ridiculously easy to use, yet is very effective.

As for AI, well, my teammate's AI seems better. I've not played through every level of PES to make a judgment on the opposition's AI, but it doesn't strike me as poor nor outstanding. When you play Fifa, your teammate's AI is generally embarrassing, the only good thing they do is close down for you when you hold the button. The opposition on AI is a mixed bag, they are capable of God mode defensively, yet offer very little in terms of attacking play.

I'll play Fifa 12 before making a final decision, but this PES demo is definitely stronger than Fifa 11.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:03 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

I'll play Fifa 12 before making a final decision, but this PES demo is definitely stronger than Fifa 11.

Wow. Big call.

I hope it lives up to the promise then, having genuine competition or even surpassing FIFA would ensure they can't rest on their laurels at EA.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:48 pm  

Picked up Deus Ex: HR plus 800 MS Points for £29.99 at Argos.

Seems like a cracking deal, will give the game a spin later hopefully.

Re: PS, Xbox, Wii, PC and other Gaming #9 : Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:23 pm  

Roddy B wrote:

Been playing the PES demo today and I'm actually really enjoying it. It's not perfect, but by heck it's a lot more realistic than Fifa. Crisp passing, good control with time and space to pick out the run and weight the pass up. Real deflections and tackling reactions, proper balance physics with pace and strength being reflective of stats. It seems a really good game and I've enjoyed playing the demo so far

The only flaw so far is the long shooting, which actually seems a bit too good for now, I've scored a few stormers which the 'keeper should have got to, maybe it's a problem with the goalkeeping?

The thing that has impressed me the most has been the way everything seems responsive and 'real'. In Fifa, if you have a shot that the defender blocks, the majority of the time, he will just control it as though it was a soft pass, or the ball will deflect straight to a player. On PES, you have things like 50/50s, you have true deflections and the header I scored before was really reflective of the difference between the two games. I put an out-swinging corner into the box, my player who was running across the penalty spot jumped in the air and just steered the ball into the top corner. It was no running power header, it was like a real goal, using the pace of the ball and steering it in. On Fifa, you simply don't score goals like that, as all headed goals are power headers where you've got the march on the defender.

As I was saying, so far I'm impressed. The game seems to have good physics and balance, whilst it isn't perfect to look at or listen to (is there really no commentary?), in terms of gameplay, it's really strong. Only problem is, IMO, it seems to be made for the arcades, which is kind of understandable with it being Japanese, but for those that aren't after that and want the casual style of Fifa, then PES probably isn't for you.

I agree with that, I've really enjoyed the demo. Good to see someone on here that likes the games. Most people don't usually see past the Pro Evo name though without slagging it off and being a FIFA fanboy but the demo is very promising, can't wait for the full game.

There is commentary and the ITV champions league team have been doing it the past couple of years but they took the commentary out of the demo as it took too much size up on the demo!