Re: What now for the UK? : Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:44 pm  

sally cinnamon wrote:

It's generally tabloid rhetoric that the "Germans will rule Europe". All these European countries are signing up to joint rules and agreements, and when powers are being transferred they are going from national governments and institutions, to the European institutions. Even the Eurosceptics always talk about power being transferred to Brussels...it's not being transferred to Berlin.

Where the part about German influence comes in is that the Germans are driving a hard bargain for the rules they want everyone to sign up to, to be included, these rules are basically about national governments running a tight ship and not getting into debt. The reason the Germans are in a strong position to argue this is because they are the largest and most successful economy in the Eurozone and they are the ones who are having to pay most to keep the others afloat. So whilst the others may complain about having the agenda of what rules to sign up to being dictated by the Germans, the reason they are in this situation is because they are having to ask Germany for help all the time.

A lot of people are negative about the idea that the Germans will have influence over running things, but the Germans do know how to get an educated workforce that produces high quality goods and has a high standard of living, I'm not saying Germany is perfect but it is a more successful model than the UK.

Quality post, but didn't they bomb your chippy 70 years ago? I'm sure you remember it well.

Re: What now for the UK? : Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:09 pm  

billypop wrote:

Minty, if the Nazis had wanted to invade the UK then they would have. As it happens they had bigger fish to fry. Thank goodness

It's my specialist subject.........................

remind me what operation sea lion was then mate please!!

Re: What now for the UK? : Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:59 pm  

CORNISH wrote:

remind me what operation sea lion was then mate please!!

I'm not your mate.

It didn't take place, thank goodness.

If it had we would have had no chance of resisting the Nazis. Thank goodness they had other prioritities.

[tb]

Re: What now for the UK? : Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:33 pm  

billypop wrote:

It's my specialist subject

Not on the evidence of your posts.


Well derailed, everybody, by the way.

Re: What now for the UK? : Sat Dec 10, 2011 6:42 pm  

tb wrote:

Not on the evidence of your posts.


Well derailed, everybody, by the way.

tb, you are full of rubbish. I have very little regard for what you say. Now please go away.

I hope that the UK government supports the EU. If it doesn't we will suffer.

Re: What now for the UK? : Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:05 pm  

Dead Man Walking wrote:

If he calls an election he's gone and I hope that it happens. He should resign anyway.

I really dont know how this would play during an election campaign. The electorate's reaction isnt going to be based on any deep analysis, its just too complex. There's obviously a general anti european feeling if opinion polls are to be believed, but the Tory "basta*ds" can easily alienate the electorate. And the Lib Dems seem to be in an impossible position. They'd have to elect a new leader before they could fight an election. Labour dont really seem to have a position other than to criticise Cameron's negotiating tactics. It would be a huge risk for them to come across as pro european.

I suspect that all three parties will contrive to make sure that there isnt an election any time soon.

Re: What now for the UK? : Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:21 pm  

Cameron seems to have come out of this very well if you are to believe the papers and News.

Good on him for standing up to Europe- UKIP to get more votes than Cleggs gang later this week.

Re: What now for the UK? : Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:23 pm  

billypop wrote:

CORNISH wrote:

remind me what operation sea lion was then mate please!!

I'm not your mate.

It didn't take place, thank goodness.

If it had we would have had no chance of resisting the Nazis. Thank goodness they had other prioritities.

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mate.

Re: What now for the UK? : Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:24 pm  

wire quin wrote:

Cameron seems to have come out of this very well if you are to believe the papers and News.

Good on him for standing up to Europe- UKIP to get more votes than Cleggs gang later this week.

You must watch some weird TV channels and read some strange papers then

Re: What now for the UK? : Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:50 pm  

wire quin wrote:

Cameron seems to have come out of this very well if you are to believe the papers and News.

Good on him for standing up to Europe- UKIP to get more votes than Cleggs gang later this week.

Thats the impression I'm getting too.