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Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:03 am  

cod'ead wrote: The reality of living on £55 per week You know things are bad when even the Torygraph is writing sympathetic articles.

cod'ead wrote: The reality of living on £55 per week You know things are bad when even the Torygraph is writing sympathetic articles.

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:38 am  

Sal Paradise wrote: Workhouses - and you have the arrogance to talk about Tory Morons!! You simply don't get it - benefits should be there to provide the minimum requirements not present an opportunity for those who don't work to have a better lifestyle than those who do. A person with a low pay job in Leeds or Bradford will live in Gipton, Manningham etc because that is all they can afford. Many will rent rooms - that is what I did when I first left home - which will not be subsidised. Does it matter -especially as many of these will have Philpottitous i.e. not looking for a job - whether they live in Leytonstone or Croydon? There will be plenty of people who have lived in subsidised accommodation all their adult life that will end up in residential care at the end of it - why should anyone who has done without to buy a house have to use that equity to fund care that others get for free? Pick the bones from this lot Sal Paradise wrote: I think all of this is pretty rich come from someone whose contribution to society through income tax will be virtually zero!! I beg your pardon, care to expand?

Sal Paradise wrote: Workhouses - and you have the arrogance to talk about Tory Morons!! You simply don't get it - benefits should be there to provide the minimum requirements not present an opportunity for those who don't work to have a better lifestyle than those who do. A person with a low pay job in Leeds or Bradford will live in Gipton, Manningham etc because that is all they can afford. Many will rent rooms - that is what I did when I first left home - which will not be subsidised. Does it matter -especially as many of these will have Philpottitous i.e. not looking for a job - whether they live in Leytonstone or Croydon? There will be plenty of people who have lived in subsidised accommodation all their adult life that will end up in residential care at the end of it - why should anyone who has done without to buy a house have to use that equity to fund care that others get for free? Pick the bones from this lot Sal Paradise wrote: I think all of this is pretty rich come from someone whose contribution to society through income tax will be virtually zero!! I beg your pardon, care to expand?

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 1:21 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

... especially as many of these will have Philpottitous ...

Good to see that nobody has fallen for the attempts to link this case and the entirely different issue of benefits/welfare.

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:17 pm  

This class war has been going on for decades now. Its time for the dispossessed to resist and form a parliamentary party that will stand up for those at the bottom of society.

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:22 pm  

David Titan wrote:

This class war has been going on for decades now. Its time for the dispossessed to resist and form a parliamentary party that will stand up for those at the bottom of society.

I'll PM your dad and let him know someone has hacked your account

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:29 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

I'll PM your dad and let him know someone has hacked your account

I am amazed that you cannot see the class war that has been waged against those at the bottom of society for decades - the haves stealing from and victimising the have nots. It has to stop. Since all 3 main political parties have acting in collusion for decades the only solution is the formation of a new political party....or rioting and revolution - but as a conservative I prefer the former to the latter course of action.

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:31 pm  

David Titan wrote:

This class war has been going on for decades now. Its time for the dispossessed to resist and form a parliamentary party that will stand up for those at the bottom of society.

Is that really you?

Fancy going to the RLWC semis at Wembley (23 Nov) and Final at OT )30 Nov)?

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:40 pm  

Dally wrote:

Is that really you?

Fancy going to the RLWC semis at Wembley (23 Nov) and Final at OT )30 Nov)?

Yes to both questions. The existing of a class war is undeniable, the most obvious manifestation is that one group in society has caused the banking crisis, the sovereign debt crisis and the Euro crisis whilst another group is forced to suffer for the selfishness and corruption of the other, and is routinely vilified in the press and discriminated against in wider society (to a far larger extent that ethnic minorities, Muslims, Jews, homosexuals and women).

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:45 pm  

David Titan wrote:

Yes to both questions. The existing of a class war is undeniable, the most obvious manifestation is that one group in society has caused the banking crisis, the sovereign debt crisis and the Euro crisis whilst another group is forced to suffer for the selfishness and corruption of the other, and is routinely vilified in the press and discriminated against in wider society (to a far larger extent that ethnic minorities, Muslims, Jews, homosexuals and women).

The problem with a new party is that discrimination has thus far, very deliberately, been aimed at a minority that on their own could not give a party that represents them a majority. That's why they can be bullied. The traditional middle classes have always been weasely, frightened, petty snobs who can easily be manipulated into looking down on others and calling them lazy, etc. The reality has always been somewhat different - as you have already found - the middle classes get jobs that pay more, they work less and get more perks.

Re: Iain Duncan Smith : Sun Apr 07, 2013 8:47 pm  

Dally wrote:

The problem with a new party is that discrimination has thus far, very deliberately, been aimed at a minority that on their own could not give a party that represents them a majority. That's why they can be bullied. The traditional middle classes have always been weasely, frightened, petty snobs who can easily be manipulated into lookig down on others and calling them lazy, etc. The reality has always been somewhat different - as you have already found - the middle classes get jobs that pay more, they work less and get more perks.

Sadly it seems that you do not grasp the realities of the class war. You are clearly blinded by outdated Marxist thinking that the problem is one of an economic nature. This is no longer the 19th century. The battle between the bourgeoisie and the proletariat ended a long-time ago.