Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:42 am  

Him wrote:

A simple question requiring a simple answer, are you in favour of welfare reform?

Everyone should be a favour of welfare reform - the system should provide the best available option for the monies available. Welfare reform should be ongoing activity so as to reflect the needs of those benefitting from the system.

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:22 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Everyone should be a favour of welfare reform - the system should provide the best available option for the monies available. Welfare reform should be ongoing activity so as to reflect the needs of those benefitting from the system.

I think the question has to be "are you in favour of fair welfare reform."? Because we all know at the moment it isn't. In 2013 food banks shouldn't exist (of be few and far between), disabled people should get all the help they need without having to jump through hoops and have their Doctors/Consultants listened to instead of a tick box excersise, under 25's should be able to live independently and claim housing benefit if they need it (yes in 2013 under 25's do get ill and are made redundant), the recently unemployed shouldn't have to wait a week without any money. (I know their mortgage company, supermarket or utility company wouldn't!) I could go on and on.

And as for the bit in bold, the system should provide the best option for all those who need it without putting unfair sanctions on people, for example how is it fair that a 24 year old who lives independently becomes redundant and won't get any housing benefit and has to be "supported" by parents (thats if they have any, some people have no one), yet the just turned 26 year old in the same block of flats who worked at the same place and was made redundant the same time gets to keep their flat because they can claim housing benefit. Again I could go on and on.

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:30 pm  

I think I'm one of those who would be much better off on JSA benefits than in work. I'm currently in PT employment, 24-hours per week on minimum wage but my employer requires me to have a car insured for business purposes.

I'm reasonably young (mid-20s) with zero no claims so the cost of insurance is short of £1,000. Then there's tax and MOT to think of, plus petrol which I don't get paid for commuting, but I may be required to travel for work purposes on short notice.

When everything adds up including rent and living, I'm just breaking even and cannot afford to pay for my insurance when the renewal comes (even with a standing order for an affordable amount of money into a savings account to pay for it), hence I'm fearing for my job when I tell my employer I no longer have a car.

Annoyingly I don't think I qualify for income support as I work too much!

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:30 pm  

The 5 Giants of the Welfare State:

Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness

How are these being met in modern society?

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:37 pm  

Peckerwood wrote:

I think I'm one of those who would be much better off on JSA benefits than in work. I'm currently in PT employment, 24-hours per week on minimum wage but my employer requires me to have a car insured for business purposes.

I'm reasonably young (mid-20s) with zero no claims so the cost of insurance is short of £1,000. Then there's tax and MOT to think of, plus petrol which I don't get paid for commuting, but I may be required to travel for work purposes on short notice.

When everything adds up including rent and living, I'm just breaking even and cannot afford to pay for my insurance when the renewal comes (even with a standing order for an affordable amount of money into a savings account to pay for it), hence I'm fearing for my job when I tell my employer I no longer have a car.

Annoyingly I don't think I qualify for income support as I work too much!

Do you not recieve a car allowance from your employer?

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:39 pm  

Peckerwood wrote: I think I'm one of those who would be much better off on JSA benefits than in work. I'm currently in PT employment, 24-hours per week on minimum wage but my employer requires me to have a car insured for business purposes. I'm reasonably young (mid-20s) with zero no claims so the cost of insurance is short of £1,000. Then there's tax and MOT to think of, plus petrol which I don't get paid for commuting, but I may be required to travel for work purposes on short notice. When everything adds up including rent and living, I'm just breaking even and cannot afford to pay for my insurance when the renewal comes (even with a standing order for an affordable amount of money into a savings account to pay for it), hence I'm fearing for my job when I tell my employer I no longer have a car. Annoyingly I don't think I qualify for income support as I work too much! Do you qualify for Working Tax Credits? Calculator here: https://www.gov.uk/tax-credits-calculator (You may need to work another 6 hours somewhere I suspect) Some of that stuff you pay may be tax deductible, may be worth having an hour with an accountant.

Peckerwood wrote: I think I'm one of those who would be much better off on JSA benefits than in work. I'm currently in PT employment, 24-hours per week on minimum wage but my employer requires me to have a car insured for business purposes. I'm reasonably young (mid-20s) with zero no claims so the cost of insurance is short of £1,000. Then there's tax and MOT to think of, plus petrol which I don't get paid for commuting, but I may be required to travel for work purposes on short notice. When everything adds up including rent and living, I'm just breaking even and cannot afford to pay for my insurance when the renewal comes (even with a standing order for an affordable amount of money into a savings account to pay for it), hence I'm fearing for my job when I tell my employer I no longer have a car. Annoyingly I don't think I qualify for income support as I work too much! Do you qualify for Working Tax Credits? Calculator here: https://www.gov.uk/tax-credits-calculator (You may need to work another 6 hours somewhere I suspect) Some of that stuff you pay may be tax deductible, may be worth having an hour with an accountant.

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:46 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Welfare reform should be ongoing activity so as to reflect the needs of those benefitting from the system.

Let's get this straight: we are talking Social Security not welfare. There really are few if any who "benefit" from the system. How beneficial do you think it is to be constantly belittled as a "shirker or scrounger"?

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 4:52 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Do you qualify for Working Tax Credits? Calculator here: https://www.gov.uk/tax-credits-calculator (You may need to work another 6 hours somewhere I suspect) Some of that stuff you pay may be tax deductible, may be worth having an hour with an accountant. Tax Credits!! Another cost to the taxpayer! Employers should be made to pay a living wage just as no child benefit should be paid for more than one child - even that is debatable!

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Do you qualify for Working Tax Credits? Calculator here: https://www.gov.uk/tax-credits-calculator (You may need to work another 6 hours somewhere I suspect) Some of that stuff you pay may be tax deductible, may be worth having an hour with an accountant. Tax Credits!! Another cost to the taxpayer! Employers should be made to pay a living wage just as no child benefit should be paid for more than one child - even that is debatable!

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:18 pm  

Maple Leaf wrote:

Tax Credits!!
Another cost to the taxpayer!
Employers should be made to pay a living wage ...

A really, really valid point.

However, the cost of housing - whether rented or bought - is a really massive problem and one hat makes many working people need housing benefit. So it may not even be as simple as the employer not paying an adequate wage. We desperately need to tackle the housing crisis (I use that word deliberately) an then other things possibly become clearer and maybe even easier.

Re: Tory Britain 2013 : Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:32 pm  

JerryChicken wrote:

You can't phrase the question like that though, in this newly enlightened era of media driven government you would have to phrase the question as follows ...

"Do you favour welfare reform in order to expunge the country of shirkers, third generation unemployed, faked disablility claimants, and foreigners coming here for an easy life?" Tick Yes or No, calls may be charged after the poll has ended but thats tough, we could probably not charge for calls after a fixed end time but why the hell should we if you are stupid enough not t read the T&C.

Even with a straight forward, neutral question like "are you in favour of welfare reform?" You can, if you're IDS or Ajw spin support for that as support for your own reform proposals regardless of what they actually are.

I notice Ajw has disappeared again.