Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:19 pm  

Labour HQ has now declared all out war on Labour Party members by suspending (banning) all CLP meetings until after the Leadership election. Wouldn't want any of us debating any of the issues or holding any Labour MP's up to scrutiny by passing any CLP no confidence motions in them, now would they? They can have their confidence motions but we can't have ours.

It's also rumoured the gate has been firmly closed for anyone baulking at having to shell out £25 who may be considering joining UNITE or any other affiliated union in order to register for a vote. I wonder how many in total they'll keep off the ballot this time around?

I've not had my eligibility to vote removed (not yet anyhow) as I joined the Labour Party within an hour of Corbyn being elected leader last year.

The coup attempt ain't over yet by some distance.

Will Angela Eagle even survive the next 48 hours?

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:20 pm  

William Eve wrote:

Will Angela Eagle even survive the next 48 hours?

Three weeks ago I had no idea she existed. I suspect that three weeks ago many people had no idea who Jeremy Corbyn was either.

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:26 pm  

vbfg wrote:

Honestly though, my most firmly held belief is that they party is completely screwed right now.

I can't see it any other way than that.

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Wed Jul 13, 2016 6:50 pm  

DHM wrote:

Three weeks ago I had no idea she existed. I suspect that three weeks ago many people had no idea who Jeremy Corbyn was either.

Who ?

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Wed Jul 13, 2016 8:51 pm  

You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader

You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Thu Jul 14, 2016 12:11 pm  

LeighGionaire wrote: You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader He may as well offer free gold bars and trips to the moon. In fact he would have more chance of delivering on those promises.

LeighGionaire wrote: You really couldn't make this up. They accuse Corbyn of being out of touch with Labour's traditional working class base then come up with this bull crap as their main policy?! They must really hate democracy. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... our-leader He may as well offer free gold bars and trips to the moon. In fact he would have more chance of delivering on those promises.

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Fri Jul 15, 2016 6:59 pm  

vbfg wrote:

snip .

Is there any data people who associate themselves with a party and how they voted in the EU referendum?

Eg Those that associate with Labour: 55% leave 45% stay?

I would imagine a ukip support share would be high 90% leave.

But is there any breakdown facts?

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:57 pm  

In terms of "associate with a party" I haven't seen any data on that yet, at least not with the kind of categorisation of association used above. That will come but it's a more extensive data gathering exercise. In terms of how people voted in last year's general it was a 63 / 37 split in favour of remain for Labour voters. For snap immediately before and immediately after voting there's only really one readily available source and it's the disgraced (I assume) former Tory party deputy chairman, £ord Ashcroft. But it's generally useful and interesting. 4% of UKIP voters opted to stay. I'm going to say that agin. 4% of UKIP voters opted to stay. I even typed it again, I couldn't copy and paste. I had to feel that flow through my fingers. (PDF link at the bottom. I'll spare you all another rant on appropriate formats for raw data exchange)

In terms of "associate with a party" I haven't seen any data on that yet, at least not with the kind of categorisation of association used above. That will come but it's a more extensive data gathering exercise. In terms of how people voted in last year's general it was a 63 / 37 split in favour of remain for Labour voters. For snap immediately before and immediately after voting there's only really one readily available source and it's the disgraced (I assume) former Tory party deputy chairman, £ord Ashcroft. But it's generally useful and interesting. 4% of UKIP voters opted to stay. I'm going to say that agin. 4% of UKIP voters opted to stay. I even typed it again, I couldn't copy and paste. I had to feel that flow through my fingers. (PDF link at the bottom. I'll spare you all another rant on appropriate formats for raw data exchange)

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:24 am  

This article sums things up: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 36711.html

This article sums things up: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jer ... 36711.html

Re: Will Labour Ever Learn? : Sat Jul 16, 2016 5:28 pm  

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https://medium.com/@matatatatat/the-ter ... .lf5v3srip