Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 9:21 am  

The usual defence all parties are bad or the other one just think how bad it would be if Corbyn had won. The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education. The bottom line do you believe what the government say that it is safe to return because it is or is it due to the fact they want their parents returning to work.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:27 am  

Much talk on the radio about the return to school - general view is that teachers are more at risk from each other than they are from the children. More likely teachers will pass the infection on to the children than the other way around. This point was made by a member of SAGE this morning on Radio 4 and by Jennie Harries on BBC 1 this morning.

The risks to children's health is greater not going to school than going?

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:49 am  

Yes but what about the Adults, if they contract it who is going to take over the teaching and what will they need to do to the school to make it safe.
I note that other countries have employed those student teachers about to qualify to cover where necessary, we have not.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 10:54 am  

This is the same Jennie Harries who stated that the action taken by the government was exemplary and the shortage of PPE was blown out of proportion, we didn’t need to test test test because we are a first world country and saw no reason why Cheltenham could not go ahead so not exactly a reliable source.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:46 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote: The usual defence all parties are bad or the other one just think how bad it would be if Corbyn had won. The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education. The bottom line do you believe what the government say that it is safe to return because it is or is it due to the fact they want their parents returning to work. Quote from OP. Come on pal, what is your opinion on the handling of EXAM RESULTS, that is the topic here. I ve already posted my opinion on the above. Scarlet Pimpernell quote: The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education So why have you talked about: Camping Death rate Brexit Unions Nationalising railways House of Lords Quarantine of holidaymakers Johnsons infidelity MI6 Dossier Armed forces (its their job) Oh and the IRA But now you just want to talk about education!!! I don't care what it would have been like with Corbyn in control,because he isn't and not you,i or anyone knows how a Corbyn administration would have dealt with this situation. Its not the usual defence,as i don't see a requirement to defend my opinion,i don't trust politicians across the spectrum. Seems most people in the UK are similarly minded. https://fullfact.org/blog/2020/apr/half ... ans-trust/ Education: The need to get kids back to school is imperative for their education and because the economy needs the parents at work. Is it safe ? Its never going to be 100% safe. But people get in their cars to go to work everyday and run a 1 -200 risk of dying in a car accident,so should everyone stop driving their cars to work until its safer!

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote: The usual defence all parties are bad or the other one just think how bad it would be if Corbyn had won. The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education. The bottom line do you believe what the government say that it is safe to return because it is or is it due to the fact they want their parents returning to work. Quote from OP. Come on pal, what is your opinion on the handling of EXAM RESULTS, that is the topic here. I ve already posted my opinion on the above. Scarlet Pimpernell quote: The problem with this is that we are talking the effects of the virus on education So why have you talked about: Camping Death rate Brexit Unions Nationalising railways House of Lords Quarantine of holidaymakers Johnsons infidelity MI6 Dossier Armed forces (its their job) Oh and the IRA But now you just want to talk about education!!! I don't care what it would have been like with Corbyn in control,because he isn't and not you,i or anyone knows how a Corbyn administration would have dealt with this situation. Its not the usual defence,as i don't see a requirement to defend my opinion,i don't trust politicians across the spectrum. Seems most people in the UK are similarly minded. https://fullfact.org/blog/2020/apr/half ... ans-trust/ Education: The need to get kids back to school is imperative for their education and because the economy needs the parents at work. Is it safe ? Its never going to be 100% safe. But people get in their cars to go to work everyday and run a 1 -200 risk of dying in a car accident,so should everyone stop driving their cars to work until its safer!

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:46 am  

Scarlet Pimpernell wrote:

Yes but what about the Adults, if they contract it who is going to take over the teaching and what will they need to do to the school to make it safe.
I note that other countries have employed those student teachers about to qualify to cover where necessary, we have not.

Given the very limited incidence of Covid in the community the chance of teachers being infected is 325k from 65m so 0.5% it seems the risks are very low and surely this is an acceptable level of risk? We are being told a vaccine is end of 2021 earliest so are we prepared to disrupt children's education for another 18 months? On line learning is no substitute for school where education is only one part of the benefits of attending

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:28 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Given the very limited incidence of Covid in the community the chance of teachers being infected is 325k from 65m so 0.5% it seems the risks are very low and surely this is an acceptable level of risk? We are being told a vaccine is end of 2021 earliest so are we prepared to disrupt children's education for another 18 months? On line learning is no substitute for school where education is only one part of the benefits of attending

Time for some blunt honesty.
Kids need to be back at school and there WILL be an increase in cases and SOME additional deaths but, on balance, it's worth it.
Kids with vulnerable adults/family will need to take additional precautions.
and in some cases will need on line /home schooling.

I found it interesting that Chris Witty actually said that it was safe for kids to be back at school but, didn't mention the external risks that would increase.
His paraphrasing was straight out of the Cummings handbook and clearly some of his "independence" has been lost / bought.

Also worth noting that one of the schools in Dundee now has 17 positive cases among it's small teaching staff.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 12:51 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Time for some blunt honesty.
Kids need to be back at school and there WILL be an increase in cases and SOME additional deaths but, on balance, it's worth it.
Kids with vulnerable adults/family will need to take additional precautions.
and in some cases will need on line /home schooling.

I found it interesting that Chris Witty actually said that it was safe for kids to be back at school but, didn't mention the external risks that would increase.
His paraphrasing was straight out of the Cummings handbook and clearly some of his "independence" has been lost / bought.

Also worth noting that one of the schools in Dundee now has 17 positive cases among it's small teaching staff.

Agree on balance it has to happen.
Damned if you do,damned if you don't.

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:06 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Time for some blunt honesty.
Kids need to be back at school and there WILL be an increase in cases and SOME additional deaths but, on balance, it's worth it.
Kids with vulnerable adults/family will need to take additional precautions.
and in some cases will need on line /home schooling.

I found it interesting that Chris Witty actually said that it was safe for kids to be back at school but, didn't mention the external risks that would increase.
His paraphrasing was straight out of the Cummings handbook and clearly some of his "independence" has been lost / bought.

Also worth noting that one of the schools in Dundee now has 17 positive cases among it's small teaching staff.

I completely agree with the above - perhaps if the teachers had practised what they preach the situation may not have been as bad as it would appear?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Education, education, education and war : Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:43 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

Given the very limited incidence of Covid in the community the chance of teachers being infected is 325k from 65m so 0.5% it seems the risks are very low and surely this is an acceptable level of risk? We are being told a vaccine is end of 2021 earliest so are we prepared to disrupt children's education for another 18 months? On line learning is no substitute for school where education is only one part of the benefits of attending

The level of risk varies depending people’s actions and how policy/rules influence that. There’s also the time dimension to consider when assessing that risk. Where does the 325k figure come from?

It is about balancing different risks. There’s no solution, just choices - until there’s a vaccine, anyway.