Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:38 pm  

Decent knives are nice to have and they make the job so much easier.

But, having said that, blokes (me included) are a wee bit fond of over-speccing on the knife front and love to have the top quality stuff that I term "kitchen jewellery".

I know that "chefs do this" and "chefs do that" but they are feeding the five thousand day-in, day-out.
What they need isn't necessarily what we need.
Basically, if it's reasonably well-balanced and kept sharp, it's fine for domestic use.

I know my words will fall on deaf or outraged ears because it's a bit like telling a bloke he doesn't need a Mercedes, he could get around in Cinquecento.

But I'm right, aren't I?




Lights blue touch paper ....

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:04 pm  

I had a couple of Zwilling Henckels – plus my steel is from that manufacturer.

Not the most expensive knives in the world, but far from cheap.

In one case, there are little semi-circular nicks out of the blade. I really do not know how that happened. For all that I'm only now really getting used to the steel, I don't see how I managed that.

I've since bought a couple of Sabatier knives – much, much cheaper, but very, very good.

But while tools aren't everything, they can and do make a difference – as I've seen in the last couple of months as I've bought a couple of pieces of Le Creuset cast iron cookware.

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:22 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Decent knives are nice to have and they make the job so much easier.

But, having said that, blokes (me included) are a wee bit fond of over-speccing on the knife front and love to have the top quality stuff that I term "kitchen jewellery".

I know that "chefs do this" and "chefs do that" but they are feeding the five thousand day-in, day-out.
What they need isn't necessarily what we need.
Basically, if it's reasonably well-balanced and kept sharp, it's fine for domestic use.

I know my words will fall on deaf or outraged ears because it's a bit like telling a bloke he doesn't need a Mercedes, he could get around in Cinquecento.

But I'm right, aren't I?




Lights blue touch paper ....

It's blunt (or not properly sharp) knives that cause most cuts.

I love my knives and use each one for the purpose it was intended. I have a salmon knife and a boning knife that I bought from The Great Yorkshire Steam Fair at Haworth about 30 years ago. There used to be a bloke flogging vintage knives for very reasonable prices, he must be well-dead by now but maybe someone has carried on the tradition, it's always worth a look.

I dumped all my Sabatiers once I discovered Global and Satake knives but I'd never get shut of my carbon steel boner & salmon knife, similarly, with my carbon steel cleaver bought from Wing Yip's about 20 years ago.

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:21 pm  

We do have one strange knife which is actually a meat boning knife ... but serrated.
Now, why on earth would anyone want one of those?

Well, it was my idea.

Peter Maturi in Leeds used to (and maybe still do) offer a serrating service. for any knife.
I got them to serrate the narrowest Sabatier they had ... which was a boning knife.
Great for slicing citrus fruit and stiffer than a "normal" citrus knife.

It's my Gin and Tonic knife.
Had it sixteen years now, it's like a friend.

The others are all a mixture, some Sabatier and some Henkels.
They get sharpened with a steel but, having worn out a few steels, I bought a diamond-dusted one ... it's almost had it now but has lasted a lot longer than the steel "steels" I have had over the years.
Some of the knives will also will need replacing soon and I might enjoy browsing some "kitchen jewellery".

I was in John Lewis recently and, like a magpie, my eye was caught by some copper saucepans.
Looking closer though, it became apparent that they were not mainly-copper-with-a-steel lining (a la Mauviel) or mainly-copper-with-a-tin-lining (a la Baumalu) but were mainly-steel-with-an-encapsulated-aluminium-base-and-a-(very)-thin-copper-layer-outside.

Couldn't see the point of such a thin copper layer myself.
Can anyone put me out of my ignorance?

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:21 pm  

cod'ead wrote:

It's blunt (or not properly sharp) knives that cause most cuts.

I love my knives and use each one for the purpose it was intended. I have a salmon knife and a boning knife that I bought from The Great Yorkshire Steam Fair at Haworth about 30 years ago. There used to be a bloke flogging vintage knives for very reasonable prices, he must be well-dead by now but maybe someone has carried on the tradition, it's always worth a look.

I dumped all my Sabatiers once I discovered Global and Satake knives but I'd never get shut of my carbon steel boner& salmon knife, similarly, with my carbon steel cleaver bought from Wing Yip's about 20 years ago.

<Beavis & Butthead> huh huh huh huh</B&B>

We have a set of Sabatier knives at home and they are really good. We've got a steel and a chantry sharpener, I prefer the chantry sharpener to the steel.

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:27 pm  

Mintball wrote:

In one case, there are little semi-circular nicks out of the blade.

Any decent knife sharpener will be able to grind that out no problem.

Mintball wrote:

I've since bought a couple of Sabatier knives – much, much cheaper, but very, very good.

Hard to find decent Sabatiers at a good price now, far too many cheap knives with that name on them.

El Barbudo wrote:

I know that "chefs do this" and "chefs do that" but they are feeding the five thousand day-in, day-out.
What they need isn't necessarily what we need.
Basically, if it's reasonably well-balanced and kept sharp, it's fine for domestic use.

If you saw what chefs really use you'd lose that desire for top notch knives, the rate they ger sharpened and re-ground those Globals wouldn't last long, TV chefs use fancy knives because they get paid to, in their kitchens it is a different matter.

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:47 pm  

Big Graeme wrote:

... Hard to find decent Sabatiers at a good price now, far too many cheap knives with that name on them.

These were from John Lewis, so I do trust them.

As it happened, the first year that we self-catered in France, I was worried whether there'd be decent knives in the accommodation.

The night before we hit Collioure we spent in Perpignan and, on the Saturday morning, we went for a wander around Galleries Lafayette. We ended up buying a Japanese knife – it was outrageously cheap. And honestly, on the basis of what I've seen since, good knives are far less costly in France than here.

I suspect that that – in part at least – is down to good food/cooking being seen as normal over there rather than as some sort of posh, tarty thing over here.

As a slight aside, we've got a Christmas shopping trip (translation: excuse) planned in Paris at the start of next month. I'm taking a big case and looking for gourmet outlets.

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:54 pm  

Arrived at the house in France 1am Saturday morning, soaked my white beans had a sleep then made the base of a cassoulet for ten. Bought duck legs and Toulouse sausages at the market confied (not a real word me thinks) the legs. Bought salmon and made rillettes of salmon for starter. Put all in fridge. That night me, the missus and niece had moules ala crème
Sunday 4pm, neighbours arrived 7 of them and three of us, table prepped, food all ready including a plateau of cheese and my homemade tart tatin. Sat down to eat and all power went. We enjoyed a candlelit diner for ten. They left at 2am.
Tonight, crab claws, oysters and crevettes with homemade garlic mayonnaise.
Wednesday escalopes of veal, cream and morrilles mushroom sauce

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:31 pm  

peggy wrote:

Arrived at the house in France 1am Saturday morning, soaked my white beans had a sleep then made the base of a cassoulet for ten. Bought duck legs and Toulouse sausages at the market confied (not a real word me thinks) the legs. Bought salmon and made rillettes of salmon for starter. Put all in fridge. That night me, the missus and niece had moules ala crème
Sunday 4pm, neighbours arrived 7 of them and three of us, table prepped, food all ready including a plateau of cheese and my homemade tart tatin. Sat down to eat and all power went. We enjoyed a candlelit diner for ten. They left at 2am.
Tonight, crab claws, oysters and crevettes with homemade garlic mayonnaise.
Wednesday escalopes of veal, cream and morrilles mushroom sauce

What's your address in France?

Re: Food thread ... another serving ... : Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:47 pm  

I'll navigate, I'd hate us to get lost