Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 2:38 pm  

Dally wrote:

... What I said was if they paid more in tax they would have less for wages ...

What your Ladybird book of Successful Business Management probably doesn't mention is the fact that a very large number of people on minimum wage, working for supermarkets (which together are the second largest employer after the NHS) are dependent on tax credits (which is paid for by taxpayers, and most of which comes from individuals not from companies).
The likes of Tesco are paying a large proportion of their workforce less than a living wage and "we" are subsidising their profits.

Then the bstrds don't do the decent thing by paying their whack.

So please don't try to make out that they are saving on tax in order to pay their employees, because that's total bollox.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:36 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

I'm "waffling" about you recommending that companies pay staff out of profits, which is lunacy of the highest order, even for you. For the 4th time, staff costs should be covered by turnover, not profits. Do you think Tesco don't factor the costs of having people work for them into the price they sell things for?

How does a not-for-profit organisation operate in Dallyworld? Presumably on the goodwill of staff who realise that they'll never be paid.

I have never said wages are paid "out of profits" indeed I explicity said the opposite.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:38 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

What your Ladybird book of Successful Business Management probably doesn't mention is the fact that a very large number of people on minimum wage, working for supermarkets (which together are the second largest employer after the NHS) are dependent on tax credits (which is paid for by taxpayers, and most of which comes from individuals not from companies).
The likes of Tesco are paying a large proportion of their workforce less than a living wage and "we" are subsidising their profits.

Then the bstrds don't do the decent thing by paying their whack.

So please don't try to make out that they are saving on tax in order to pay their employees, because that's total bollox.

As to your points:

1. The Labour party distorting the workings of the free market.

2. Have you evidence they don't pay their true tax liability?

3. I never said any such thing.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:47 pm  

Dally wrote:

I have never said wages are paid "out of profits" indeed I explicity said the opposite.

You said "If the companies were taxed more heavily that would mean they had less avaiable to pay wages."

In the context of Vodafone and Tesco the tax that they've been "let off" was on profits. They would clearly not be paying the wages from profits, so how would they suddenly have less money for wages if taxed on profits?

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:52 pm  

Chris28 wrote:

You said "If the companies were taxed more heavily that would mean they had less avaiable to pay wages."

In the context of Vodafone and Tesco the tax that they've been "let off" was on profits. They would clearly not be paying the wages from profits, so how would they suddenly have less money for wages if taxed on profits?

Both wages and tax (and dividends) need to be paid by CASH though.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 3:54 pm  

Dally wrote:

Both wages and tax (and dividends) need to be paid by CASH though.

And?

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:00 pm  

Dally wrote:

Both wages and tax (and dividends) need to be paid by CASH though.

Not if you're Vodafone, then you can get it on several years interest free credit. Or don't you read the papers?

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:01 pm  

Pretty obvious I'd have thought.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:02 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote:

:lol:

Not if you're Vodafone, then you can get it on several years interest free credit. Or don't you read the papers?

He only reads one.

Re: UK unemployment rises to 2.68m : Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:04 pm  

Dally wrote:

Pretty obvious I'd have thought.

Never knew Gideon frequented RLFans...