Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:03 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

Species of ape? Death entered the world following man's rebellion against God.

Good job too, we'd be standing on each others shoulders by now and some of us would be 2000 years old, I don't want to be walking around with someone standing on my shoulders when I'm 2000 years old.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:05 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

Species of ape? Death entered the world following man's rebellion against God.

But surely the plants would die when they were eaten by the dinosaurs?

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:14 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

Species of ape? Death entered the world following man's rebellion against God.

You don't accept any of the evidence for evolution?

kirkstaller wrote:

There is conclusive evidence for those who accept the Holy Spirit.

No mate, that's acceptance, not evidence.

kirkstaller wrote:

Why are you banging on about the source? God created light, HE is the source. No test of faith involved.

I think I understand he what was saying... i.e. God created an animal that emits light, yet didn't create light itself until days later.
There's a chronological disrupt there.
But I guess you'd say that's no big problem for god, he can nip about the space/time continuum at will.
That could be fair enough, as we theorise that subatomic particles can cease to exist in one place and come into being again, immediately, in another place ... without actually travelling between the two places.
In which case, it's the chroniclers who got it wrong, framing the creation as a linear series of events in time.
... and that would lead me to ask if they can't get the basics right, why should I trust the arcane extrapolations of what blokes wandering the Med said, recorded in the same book?

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:18 am  

McLaren_Field wrote:

Good job too, we'd be standing on each others shoulders by now and some of us would be 2000 years old, I don't want to be walking around with someone standing on my shoulders when I'm 2000 years old.

The so-called Adam and Eve would have been around more than 2000 years ago surely?
I'm thinking tens of thousands of years ... in the Great Rift Valley.
But not both at the same time.
Unless all we have discovered about genes is wrong too.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:22 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

But surely the plants would die when they were eaten by the dinosaurs?

Plant "death" is different than animal or human death. Plants eat, drink, grow and respond to stimuli, but they do not have a central nervous system. Nor do they have blood. According to scripture only organisms with blood in them are "alive".

“For the life of the flesh is in the blood…” Leviticus 17:11

Plants do not die in the biblical sense of the word, because they are not "alive" in the biblical sense.

Humans and animals also posses a state of consciousness that plants can not. The Hebrew word "nephesh" is the word used in the Bible for consciousness. Nephesh is only used in application to man and animals. Plants are not conscious creatures.

Sin brought death to man and animals only. Plants do not truly die in the sense that humans and animals do.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:30 am  

El Barbudo wrote:

You don't accept any of the evidence for evolution?

I accept that some people believe there is evidence. However I believe that mankind was created in its present form.

No mate, that's acceptance, not evidence.

It’s is evidence enough for me and millions of other believers. It’s your decision whether to accept God’s invitation or not and see the evidence for yourself.

I think I understand he what was saying... i.e. God created an animal that emits light, yet didn't create light itself until days later.
There's a chronological disrupt there.

But light can exist independent of our known sources of light, especially in the context of an all-powerful God.

But I guess you'd say that's no big problem for god, he can nip about the space/time continuum at will.

Of course, God exists outside of time. The Alpha and the Omega.

That could be fair enough, as we theorise that subatomic particles can cease to exist in one place and come into being again, immediately, in another place ... without actually travelling between the two places.

I don’t understand what you are saying here. Can you clarify?

In which case, it's the chroniclers who got it wrong, framing the creation as a linear series of events in time.

The creation of the world was linear and happened in 6 distinct days.

... and that would lead me to ask if they can't get the basics right, why should I trust the arcane extrapolations of what blokes wandering the Med said, recorded in the same book?

Again, clarify your above point and I’ll get back to you. I don’t think any ‘basic’ errors have been made.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:58 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

I accept that some people believe there is evidence. However I believe that mankind was created in its present form.

Then sir, you are a barm pot. And I am putting it politely.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 11:59 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

The creation of the world was linear and happened in 6 distinct days.

I quote the late Christopher Hitchens. Exceptional claims demand exceptional evidence. I really would like to see what you've got.

[Kosh]

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:04 pm  

You have to admire Kirkstaller's ability to completely hijack any thread at will.

Re: OMG - Christian wins employment tribunal : Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:04 pm  

christopher wrote:

I quote the late Christopher Hitchens. Exceptional claims demand exceptional evidence. I really would like to see what you've got.

its all written in a book apparently, all you have to do is read it and wait for the blinding flash of light and the hand pointing at you from the clouds.

A bit like winning the lottery.