Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:47 pm  

shinymcshine wrote:

It's a complete whitewash to spend money compiling reports on the Savile case, just to conclude that there were "systemic errors" and therefore no-one else can be individually held accountable apart from the dead guy.

But I would imagine it would be incredibly difficult to prove anything against an individual.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Fri Jun 27, 2014 9:55 pm  

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned previously but Gary Glitter has again been charged with crimes of a sexual nature. What has made the alleged victims come forward now? I know the media have been saying that the Savile stuff has empowered more victims of sex abuse come forward but GG was done for noncing about 15 years ago in a well publicised case, why ony come forward now?

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:26 am  

shinymcshine wrote:

It's a complete whitewash to spend money compiling reports on the Savile case, just to conclude that there were "systemic errors" and therefore no-one else can be individually held accountable apart from the dead guy.

Equally it may well help the organisations involved realise where things went wrong previously, thus preventing it happening again.
It's pointless simply stating he was vile and did this that and the other unless we actually learn something from what we know now.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jun 28, 2014 5:33 am  

The Video Ref wrote:

The problem with the CPS is that they are terrified of being critisised so they will run anything that involves sex offences.

I seem to recall that 2 of the complainants (I hesitate to use the term 'victims') in the DLT trial were proven lairs. As in their evidence was proven to be a complete load of bollox.

There was also the trial of the bloke from Corrie (or was it Eastenders), whos name I forget (I don't watch that rubbish). Decision taken by Chief Crown Prosecutor for north west not to proceed owing to complete lack of evidence, later reviewed in London by Allison Saunders, prior to her becoming DPP, and decision made to run the case.

Goes to court....no evidence...not guilty verdicts.

All men are barstewards, all 'victims' must be believed no matter how incredible or unreliable their evidence.

The police and CPS need to be far more robust in assessing who is a genuine victim, and who is just out for a large compo payment.

So how do you explain the ones that have not been charged and no further action will be taken? I give you Freddie Starr as a starter for 10.
I refer back to my earlier comments which explain IMHO the workings of the CPS. They are under severe pressure with this set of allegations to get it right. They have the entire case file in their possession. Not anyone on this forum (that bit I am simply assuming) and the base their decision on that file. It's not based on the name of the suspect.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:47 am  

@airlie_bird wrote:

So how do you explain the ones that have not been charged and no further action will be taken? I give you Freddie Starr as a starter for 10.
I refer back to my earlier comments which explain IMHO the workings of the CPS. They are under severe pressure with this set of allegations to get it right. They have the entire case file in their possession. Not anyone on this forum (that bit I am simply assuming) and the base their decision on that file. It's not based on the name of the suspect.

"It's not based on the name of the suspect."

I understand that but I suspect that there is a small element of clawing in a "name" for publicity's sake, publicity for new "victims" (rightly or wrongly) to come forward and publicity for a government department that like all others is facing annual reviews of whether they are really necessary or not, what better response to a budget question than "Well we've convicted xxx publicly known sex offenders this year" and what worse response to the same question than "Well we lost every bloody sex offence case last year, especially the famous ones".

As a for instance one of Jimmy Saviles mates who acted as his driver and often procurer of "victims" was convicted of sex offences of his own a couple of years ago, did it get publicity, it got a mention on the news that night and then nothing else, have we had a huge enquiry into how many other "victims" this bloke procured, no, because he wasn't a "name" and the conviction was enough with no need to seek out other accusers or to take the matter any further.

So in that respect, yes, the "names" are being treated differently.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:45 am  

@airlie_bird wrote:

So how do you explain the ones that have not been charged and no further action will be taken? I give you Freddie Starr as a starter for 10.
I refer back to my earlier comments which explain IMHO the workings of the CPS. They are under severe pressure with this set of allegations to get it right. They have the entire case file in their possession. Not anyone on this forum (that bit I am simply assuming) and the base their decision on that file. It's not based on the name of the suspect.

I am not sure about now, but in the past the CPS was always seen as the choice of last resort / desperation for those who couldn't get a training contract or pupillage anywhere else.

Which might say a lot about the quality of people making decisions there.

When Allison Saunders was appointed DPP, she spent the word 'pupillage' wrong on her profile on the CPS website.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sat Jun 28, 2014 12:34 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

When Allison Saunders was appointed DPP, she spent the word 'pupillage' wrong on her profile on the CPS website.

I know it's not the same thing, but this did make me giggle.

[Durham Giant]

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:05 pm  

The Video Ref wrote:

I am not sure about now, but in the past the CPS was always seen as the choice of last resort / desperation for those who couldn't get a training contract or pupillage anywhere else.

Which might say a lot about the quality of people making decisions there.

When Allison Saunders was appointed DPP, she spent the word 'pupillage' wrong on her profile on the CPS website.

Not as if you could make the same mistake.

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:10 pm  

Tie you down in jail Rolf, tie you down in jail.....

Re: Historical sexual abuse charges... : Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:25 pm  

Absolutely gutted about Rolf. Thought he was one of the good guys.