Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:36 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

They are that wealthy that Brexit will have very limited impact on them so they can pretty much write what they like no need to take either side.

Your capacity to make yourself look ignorant knows no bounds. The EU is trying to clamp down on tax avoidance. It’s also looking quite closely at the malign effect of big media monopolies. So, If these people can get Britain out of the EU, their companies will be out of its jurisdiction. Also … the workers’ rights that the EU has championed will be eroded once the UK leaves. These off-shore patriots avoid paying their fair share of tax while persecuting the poor in their rag.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:27 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

They are that wealthy that Brexit will have very limited impact on them so they can pretty much write what they like no need to take either side.

You are right, in that their wealth means that they will be unaffected personally, whether we are in or out.
However, they use their wealth and influence to drive their own agenda and try to sway public opinion in favour of their preferred Brexit outcome.

Finding any balanced media output is becoming increasingly difficult and most people just surround themselves with that, which they want to hear.

There is the old adage about keeping friends close and enemies closer and without fully understanding the "enemies" position, the battle can never be won.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:17 am  

wrencat1873 wrote:

You are right, in that their wealth means that they will be unaffected personally, whether we are in or out.
However, they use their wealth and influence to drive their own agenda and try to sway public opinion in favour of their preferred Brexit outcome.

Finding any balanced media output is becoming increasingly difficult and most people just surround themselves with that, which they want to hear.

There is the old adage about keeping friends close and enemies closer and without fully understanding the "enemies" position, the battle can never be won.

I agree, every media outlet has its own agenda - the BBC is very pro-remain as is Channel 4 - their influence is far greater than anything the Barclay Brothers can muster.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:31 am  

Sal Paradise wrote:

the BBC is very pro-remain... - their influence is far greater than anything the Barclay Brothers can muster.

King Street Cat wrote:

Ah, the Spectator. Owned by those upstanding members of the community, the Barclay Brothers. They haven't got an agenda at all, have they?

That would include the BBC's Andrew Neil, Chairman of The Spectator. Neil has been widely seen as promoting a pro-Brexit line in his role as a key BBC political presenter and also been accused by journalist Carole Cadwalldr of breaching the BBC’s code by using his Twitter account to rubbish her vital investigative journalism into illegal activity by the Leave campaigns – journalism that recently won her the Orwell Prize.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:40 am  

tigertot wrote:

That would include the BBC's Andrew Neil, Chairman of The Spectator. Neil has been widely seen as promoting a pro-Brexit line in his role as a key BBC political presenter and also been accused by journalist Carole Cadwalldr of breaching the BBC’s code by using his Twitter account to rubbish her vital investigative journalism into illegal activity by the Leave campaigns – journalism that recently won her the Orwell Prize.

I believe the specifics were that he joined with Aaron Banks in labelling her a 'crazy cat lady' for her tenacity in reporting on the dodgy dealings of Farage, Banks and Cambridge Analytica; journalism which turned out to be wholly true and as you say, award-winning.

The BBC is an interesting conundrum - it's comedy and arts output probably is pro-Remain, but it's news and current affairs is heavily biased towards the Tory government, staffed as it is by former spads planted by David Cameron. The revolving door he created between BBC News and No 10 remains in full effect to this day.

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:48 pm  

bren2k wrote:

I believe the specifics were that he joined with Aaron Banks in labelling her a 'crazy cat lady' for her tenacity in reporting on the dodgy dealings of Farage, Banks and Cambridge Analytica; journalism which turned out to be wholly true and as you say, award-winning.

The BBC is an interesting conundrum - it's comedy and arts output probably is pro-Remain, but it's news and current affairs is heavily biased towards the Tory government, staffed as it is by former spads planted by David Cameron. The revolving door he created between BBC News and No 10 remains in full effect to this day.

Funny how people see things differently. As someone who is pro brexit I see the BBC and ITV for that matter as being biased towards remain. Not saying who is right or wrong just strange how we see the same thing in opposite ways. However I don't think anyone can despute that the Mash Report is unashamedly left wing and rabidly remain!

Re: Boris Johnson : Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:04 pm  

The BBC and most British television news is biased towards the recent and the sensational over the important. But they do, at least, usually report facts, which is why I imagine Brexiteers feel they are biased against them.

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 17, 2019 5:31 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote:

The BBC and most British television news is biased towards the recent and the sensational over the important. But they do, at least, usually report facts, which is why I imagine Brexiteers feel they are biased against them.

You imagine wrong in my case.

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:33 am  

Sal Paradise wrote wrote: The figures for them have already been mentioned which are way above what they were when under public ownership Sal Paradise wrote wrote: IR80 mentioned them IFRC 96% within 5 minutes 90% within 5 minutes tigertot wrote: I gave you the stats for Northern Rail, using the formally adopted metrics of the rail industry. You said rail punctuality is significantly better under privatisation. I have proven it isn't. So, you have repeatedly said I make things up. You have still to show one thing. Oh dear, even the woman assaulting, racist, lying, narcissistic, adulterer PM doesn't agree with you. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50067806

Sal Paradise wrote wrote: The figures for them have already been mentioned which are way above what they were when under public ownership Sal Paradise wrote wrote: IR80 mentioned them IFRC 96% within 5 minutes 90% within 5 minutes tigertot wrote: I gave you the stats for Northern Rail, using the formally adopted metrics of the rail industry. You said rail punctuality is significantly better under privatisation. I have proven it isn't. So, you have repeatedly said I make things up. You have still to show one thing. Oh dear, even the woman assaulting, racist, lying, narcissistic, adulterer PM doesn't agree with you. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50067806

Re: Boris Johnson : Thu Oct 17, 2019 7:35 am  

wotsupcas wrote:

Funny how people see things differently. As someone who is pro brexit I see the BBC and ITV for that matter as being biased towards remain. Not saying who is right or wrong just strange how we see the same thing in opposite ways. However I don't think anyone can despute that the Mash Report is unashamedly left wing and rabidly remain!

No arguments from me about the Mash Report - as I said, most of the comedy output is left wing and remain; which probably reflects the attitude of most people involved in art and entertainment.

I fail to see how anyone can label the BBC as pro-Remain; they are effectively stenographers for the Government of the day, and have probably played the biggest part in legitimising the odious nutjobs who sold Brexit to us in the first place, based on their ridiculous need to create 'balance' in every discussion. Not to mention that funny, posh, tousle-haired 'Boris' is largely a BBC creation.