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Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Wed Jan 11, 2012 3:57 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Indeed. But setting aside that, why is faith itself held in such esteem or with such respect?

Serious question, BTW – to which I do not personally know the answer, even having had faith myself for much of my life.

Generalising, obviously...

I think that for people of the same faith, and to a lesser degree and only sometimes other faiths, it is about shared values (or, more accurately, beliefs).

From non-believers I'm not sure such esteem or excessive respect exists. If they thought it was that brilliant they'd be more likely to choose to believe themselves, I'd have thought.

If there is, it is probably respect for tradition and historical identity. See also the Royal Family. Even Republicans usually balk at calling the Queen a... you see? I balked.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:06 pm  

cod'ead wrote: What about poor Jackie Paper, will nobody think of the children? He grew old and has no remorse at all http://jerrychicken.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/the-truth-behind-the-song-1/

cod'ead wrote: What about poor Jackie Paper, will nobody think of the children? He grew old and has no remorse at all http://jerrychicken.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/the-truth-behind-the-song-1/

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:27 pm  

cod'ead wrote: A bit of info I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools. Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church.

cod'ead wrote: A bit of info I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools. Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:55 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools.

Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church.

You clearly have a serious problem with comprehension.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Wed Jan 11, 2012 9:56 pm  

Ooh that irony meter, it's around here somewhere.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:04 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I thought I'd got it right. The new academies are going to be subject to the same legal and other procedures as other state funded schools, whether faith or non-faith. There is even a specific directive on the admissions procedure for faith schools.

Clearly then all our schools are going to be hijacked by the church.

Ah, the teacher who 'thinks' that evangelism began when the Bible was translated into English and that religion plays no role in policy making in the UK today.

Bless.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:02 am  

Mintball wrote:

Ah, the teacher who 'thinks' that evangelism began when the Bible was translated into English and that religion plays no role in policy making in the UK today.

EVANGELICALISM. Look it up in the dictionary. It has a different meaning to EVANGELISM, which is not what you talked about and I responded to.

Bless.

And nor did I ever claim that religion played no role in policy making in the UK today. I was responding to a post about how influential it was, not that it didn't have a role.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:09 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

And nor did I ever claim that religion played no role in policy making in the UK today. I was responding to a post about how influential it was, not that it didn't have a role.

SaintsFan wrote:

Religion has no influence in the running of this country. Purlease! Any such influence died decades ago.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:15 am  

SaintsFan wrote: EVANGELICALISM. Look it up in the dictionary. It has a different meaning to EVANGELISM, which is not what you talked about and I responded to... You need to learn to read. SaintsFan wrote: And nor did I ever claim that religion played no role in policy making in the UK today. I was responding to a post about how influential it was, not that it didn't have a role. Not only do you need to learn to read, you need to learn to post clearly what you actually mean. The relevant post is here. You wrote: "Religion has no influence in the running of this country. Purlease! Any such influence died decades ago." Now, however, you'd have us believe that "no influence" is actually the same as "no role in policy making" and you've already had it explained to you that this is factually incorrect ... But carry on – dig much further and you'll be in Australia.

SaintsFan wrote: EVANGELICALISM. Look it up in the dictionary. It has a different meaning to EVANGELISM, which is not what you talked about and I responded to... You need to learn to read. SaintsFan wrote: And nor did I ever claim that religion played no role in policy making in the UK today. I was responding to a post about how influential it was, not that it didn't have a role. Not only do you need to learn to read, you need to learn to post clearly what you actually mean. The relevant post is here. You wrote: "Religion has no influence in the running of this country. Purlease! Any such influence died decades ago." Now, however, you'd have us believe that "no influence" is actually the same as "no role in policy making" and you've already had it explained to you that this is factually incorrect ... But carry on – dig much further and you'll be in Australia.

Re: Prevent The Church Hijacking Our Schools : Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:25 am  

Kosh wrote:

Evolution is a an entirely neutral subject.

That could be said about any subject. It is humans who put meaning and importance into subjects.

The fact that a small minority of people may not have a neutral reaction to it is no basis for policy making.

The reaction of people can be influential in policy making. Just within schools there are a number of examples where policy has been influenced by the reaction of people: religious education, sex education, citizenship, the content of school meals, to name but four. All these issues divide public opinion. Policy has been made in favour of one opinion or another, not necessarily the majority and sometimes (eg sex ed, content of school meals) as a result of pressure from public opinion.