Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:11 am  

A very good analysis in terms of context.

A very good analysis in terms of context.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:29 am  

Mintball wrote: A very good analysis in terms of context. "But the 1984-85 season was marred by violence at football grounds, culminating in tragedy when 39 Juventus supporters died at the European Cup final in Brussels after they were charged by Liverpool fans. Mrs Thatcher demanded solutions to the British Disease, and nothing – ID cards, electric fences – was considered too draconian. In the event, the culture of football violence ended organically the following season when ecstasy-fuelled Acid House ushered in a new era of communality."

Mintball wrote: A very good analysis in terms of context. "But the 1984-85 season was marred by violence at football grounds, culminating in tragedy when 39 Juventus supporters died at the European Cup final in Brussels after they were charged by Liverpool fans. Mrs Thatcher demanded solutions to the British Disease, and nothing – ID cards, electric fences – was considered too draconian. In the event, the culture of football violence ended organically the following season when ecstasy-fuelled Acid House ushered in a new era of communality."

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:46 am  

Mintball wrote: A very good analysis in terms of context. "It's absurd to suggest that nobody approaching the ground had had a drink, but I'd seriously doubt that anybody had time to get seriously drunk. " Yeah, because coach drivers and car drivers insisted that because they couldn't drink that their passengers weren't allowed either. "It's equally pat to say that everyone had tickets – but the touts soon put paid to that. They were virtually giving tickets away on the walk-up to Hillsborough." That's touts for you. So, back to the reasons for Patnick to be stripped of his knighthood, Mintball? Or don't you have any?

Mintball wrote: A very good analysis in terms of context. "It's absurd to suggest that nobody approaching the ground had had a drink, but I'd seriously doubt that anybody had time to get seriously drunk. " Yeah, because coach drivers and car drivers insisted that because they couldn't drink that their passengers weren't allowed either. "It's equally pat to say that everyone had tickets – but the touts soon put paid to that. They were virtually giving tickets away on the walk-up to Hillsborough." That's touts for you. So, back to the reasons for Patnick to be stripped of his knighthood, Mintball? Or don't you have any?

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:42 am  

tb wrote:

I am not convinced that the job of a serving MP is to repeat unsubstantiated rumour to the media.

especially about an event in another MPs constituency

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:54 am  

Chris28 wrote:

especially about an event in another MPs constituency

You are so right. Take back that knighthood straight away.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:01 pm  

Mintball wrote: A very good analysis in terms of context. It is not a very good "analysis" it is creative fantasy from a novelist. After a few days I am already getting sick and tired of various media idiots imputing meaning into the events that weren't there. The bottom line is the police were paranoid (with good reason) of football hooliganism and disorder and they screwed up (criminally, IMO) on the day. Nothing more.

Mintball wrote: A very good analysis in terms of context. It is not a very good "analysis" it is creative fantasy from a novelist. After a few days I am already getting sick and tired of various media idiots imputing meaning into the events that weren't there. The bottom line is the police were paranoid (with good reason) of football hooliganism and disorder and they screwed up (criminally, IMO) on the day. Nothing more.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:32 pm  

It's a good article in terms of what happened on the day. Crap in terms of political and social context

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:37 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

You are so right. Take back that knighthood straight away.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Sun Sep 16, 2012 10:24 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

It's a good article in terms of what happened on the day. Crap in terms of political and social context

I've just read the piece, rather than just skipped through and quoted the ridiculous parts.

I think it's a good article for political and social context. Okay about what happened on the day. But the article is destroyed by glaringly stupid errors, some of which I've already quoted.

Re: Kelvin MacKenzie : Mon Sep 17, 2012 6:50 am  

Cibaman wrote:

It's a good article in terms of what happened on the day. Crap in terms of political and social context

Its an opinion of someone who lived through those times as an adult and speaks about what he saw and felt during those times and on that day.

Its not a university text book on social and political history but its no less valid simply because its an eye witness account, indeed there is an argument that university texts should be all about eye witness accounts and not simply academic analysis, and the MPs who recognise that their constituents are what really matters and not what their political dogma states are usually the ones who get re-elected.