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Is Ajw seriously trying to tell someone how to read the results of a poll?
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Kosh wrote:
I twisted no facts. I pointed out the age of the poll and passed an opinion on some of the data. I didn't even contest the point about majority support - it's not exactly fresh information after all. No need to get all defensive.

The only poll that really counts is the one to be held in a couple of years time. By then a fair few of the respondents to that survey will have realised that they are directly affected by the reduction in benefits and that by implication this Government and its supporters consider them to be scroungers - regardless of how hard working they might be. I suspect this may sway their opinion somewhat.


Or they might realise that the welfare state is now inherently fairer than at any time in the last 20 years and that is down to the efforts of this coalition government.
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Him wrote:
Is Ajw seriously trying to tell someone how to read the results of a poll?


No, he's a young kid trying to wind others up with stupid statements, whereas what really happens and what he can't see, is that everyone points and laughs, I derive a great deal of enjoyment from his posts, but its amusement and not the rubbing chin, drawing on pipe and "hmmm, he has a point you know" enjoyment.

On the other hand he could be just a young kid who really has swallowed all of the propaganda, hook, line and sinker, which is a shame and a concern at the same time that there may be other young people like him willing to be led by the nose-ring into the next election with more doses of this style of vindictive nonsense.
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No, he's a young kid trying to wind others up with stupid statements, whereas what really happens and what he can't see, is that everyone points and laughs, I derive a great deal of enjoyment from his posts, but its amusement and not the rubbing chin, drawing on pipe and "hmmm, he has a point you know" enjoyment.

On the other hand he could be just a young kid who really has swallowed all of the propaganda, hook, line and sinker, which is a shame and a concern at the same time that there may be other young people like him willing to be led by the nose-ring into the next election with more doses of this style of vindictive nonsense.


What a very strange post. If my posts were extreme and out of touch with public opinion you might have a point. The fact of the matter is they are not.

I am the one who is in step with public opinion on this issue. I would like to see a fairer welfare state. This opinion is shared by many many like me.

If this somehow offends you or 'concerns' you well sorry but maybe you should take a look in the mirror and consider that it might just be you who has the wrong perceptions on this issue. Indeed it might just be you who has swallowed the liberal propaganda of the vocal minority hook line and sinker. After all, they are going against the grain here and it is those people who are more likely to be in desperate need of some propaganda - indeed most of it sensationalist.
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Or they might realise that the welfare state is now inherently fairer than at any time in the last 20 years and that is down to the efforts of this coalition government.

You have a certain charming naivete. Or you might be a bit dim. Difficult to tell.

People who are worse off at the end of a Parliament than they were at the beginning rarely vote for the Government who did that to them.
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On the other hand he could be just a young kid who really has swallowed all of the propaganda, hook, line and sinker

Maybe he swallowed one of those batteries he used to lick as well. Washed it down with some shower water no doubt.
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Maybe he swallowed one of those batteries he used to lick as well. Washed it down with some shower water no doubt.


Not this business again. Was this right before 'I' got convicted for racial abuse :roll:
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You have a certain charming naivete. Or you might be a bit dim. Difficult to tell.

People who are worse off at the end of a Parliament than they were at the beginning rarely vote for the Government who did that to them.


You assume that they will be worse off.
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What a very strange post. If my posts were extreme and out of touch with public opinion you might have a point. The fact of the matter is they are not.

I am the one who is in step with public opinion on this issue. I would like to see a fairer welfare state. This opinion is shared by many many like me.

If this somehow offends you or 'concerns' you well sorry but maybe you should take a look in the mirror and consider that it might just be you who has the wrong perceptions on this issue. Indeed it might just be you who has swallowed the liberal propaganda of the vocal minority hook line and sinker. After all, they are going against the grain here and it is those people who are more likely to be in desperate need of some propaganda - indeed most of it sensationalist.



Your problem is that your opinion on what is "fair" is based on exactly and precisely what is spoon fed to you by government press releases and the complaint section of the media who are more than willing to publish the divisive rhetoric without question.

Unfortunately you can't see past that but thats fine, I'm never a one for wanting to change peoples opinions, I have mine based on experience and I have come to acknowledge that a society that works needs to support its weakest, which isn't always cheap - and conversely a society that doesn't support its weak and tries to justify that withdrawal of support by using examples of the very worst elements and insisting that they are the "norm", is not a society that I want to call my own.

You'll also notice that I do not mention any political parties in this, for in my opinion (there it is again) they are all as bad as each other and for the record, all singing off the same songsheet, being that most fo the influential ones all studied the same politics degree before becoming career politicians we shouldn't be surprised that they all use the same rhetoric and all rely heavily on a compliant media during election campaigns.

Many years before you were born I even voted for Margaret Thatcher, twice, because the alternative was a complete shambles, so your wheeling out of the "old socialist" line is what amuses me, I was a Tory boy decades before you were even laying in a cot counting your toes, I was the owner of a business, and entrepreneur in true Tory stylee and like you now, I thought I was invincible, didn't understand why I should pay tax to support layabouts because you see the government of that time used exactly the same rhetoric as they are doing now, nothing has changed only another thirty years of experience for me, I can see through them all now, can see their lies and conniving for what they are - self interested and vindictive.

Still, keep pumping out the party mantra's, one day, with experience, you'll look back and see you were sold a lie.
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You assume that they will be worse off.

I don't have to assume anything. Even the most optimistic view of economic activity between now and the next election won't get take home pay back up to where it was three years ago in real terms. Meanwhile the cost of living is climbing steadily and benefits are being cut. The vast majority of people in the UK will be worse off at the next GE than they were at the last.
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