Re: The rise of UKIP : Sat Jul 06, 2013 8:42 pm  

Garage's latest idea is to cut MP's salaries by 75%, thus returning us to the good old days when you had to be rich to be an MP. What an !

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:23 am  

Now of that i have the opposite opinion, these guys are running GB PLC like it or not, yes we know they're all vile sub human scum but you pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
I'd have pay structures depending on you position.

PM obviously being on the top wack, all the top cabinet jobs being on another rate, so on and so forth.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:10 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Now of that i have the opposite opinion, these guys are running GB PLC like it or not, yes we know they're all vile sub human scum but you pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
I'd have pay structures depending on you position.

PM obviously being on the top wack, all the top cabinet jobs being on another rate, so on and so forth.

If applying those rules would you at the same time insist on some sort of track record as a successful CEO in order to run GB PLC ?

It would solve the problem of university graduates walking straight into parliament based on the fact that they went to a specific university and passed the required PPE degree but you could see the likes of George Osborne serving on the board of his fathers business for a year and claiming the required "work experience".

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:23 am  

I'd love to see a complete shake up of our system, now who do we need to put the wheels in motion...Politicians, now that sounds like a pl....ahhh, i think i've just seen the stumbling block

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:17 am  

Horatio Yed wrote:

Now of that i have the opposite opinion, these guys are running GB PLC like it or not, yes we know they're all vile sub human scum but you pay peanuts and you get monkeys.
I'd have pay structures depending on you position.

PM obviously being on the top wack, all the top cabinet jobs being on another rate, so on and so forth.

That's how it works already.

I know they claim to be undervalued and underpaid but there never seems to be any shortage of candidates for the job. I can't honestly remember the last time an MP (apart from The Speaker), went into an election completely unopposed. Given that they are on just shy of 3x average salary and they get the most comprehensive expenses package bar none, in addition to no requirement to actually turn up for work and a holiday entitlement that would make a schoolteacher jealous, they're still not too badly off.

I would imagine that there really are plenty of intelligent people who have real-world (© Sal Paradise) experience and would do a damn fine job if only they were given an opportunity to stand for a major party. Unfortunately the Westminster Village usually prevents this happening

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:28 am  

cod'ead wrote:

That's how it works already.

I know they claim to be undervalued and underpaid but there never seems to be any shortage of candidates for the job. I can't honestly remember the last time an MP (apart from The Speaker), went into an election completely unopposed. Given that they are on just shy of 3x average salary and they get the most comprehensive expenses package bar none, in addition to no requirement to actually turn up for work and a holiday entitlement that would make a schoolteacher jealous, they're still not too badly off.

I would imagine that there really are plenty of intelligent people who have real-world (© Sal Paradise) experience and would do a damn fine job if only they were given an opportunity to stand for a major party. Unfortunately the Westminster Village usually prevents this happening

Look at people like John Mann, he'd struggle to get £20k a year anywhere other than Parliament, likewise many on all benches, as you say, they are hardly working hard for the benefit of the population (regardless of their political persuasion)

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:40 am  

Standee wrote:

Look at people like John Mann, he'd struggle to get £20k a year anywhere other than Parliament, likewise many on all benches, as you say, they are hardly working hard for the benefit of the population (regardless of their political persuasion)

He's only in opposition, but admittedly, a tool.
Look at some cabinet ministers who are far more worthy in outlining your point.
Hunt, Shapps, Pickles, there's three waste of skins off the top of my head.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 8:55 am  

WIZEB wrote:

He's only in opposition, but admittedly, a tool.
Look at some cabinet ministers who are far more worthy in outlining your point.
Hunt, Shapps, Pickles, there's three waste of skins off the top of my head.

I agree, I have met all three, and none of them have the first idea about the real world, it takes a certain type of self promoting person to go into Parliament, most local councilors are ok (if somewhat deluded about their impact), I have yet to meet any MP that isn't a self serving individual.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:04 am  

WIZEB wrote:

He's only in opposition, but admittedly, a tool.
Look at some cabinet ministers who are far more worthy in outlining your point.
Hunt, Shapps, Pickles, there's three waste of skins off the top of my head.

Four.

Four wastes of skins if you're including Pickles.

Possibly five.

Re: The rise of UKIP : Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:04 am  

An ex Union rep at the place i work, very very good at getting people off the rap, very good at implementing stuff HE wanted to see in the garage but time after time people complained that they'd go to him with problems and he just wasn't interested or HE didn't want to see it. People wanted a common rota, he opposed it because it didn't suit him, people then wanted a fixed time rota, again he put a stop to it. He was exceptional at putting through stuff he wanted but couldn't care less about the majority of the workers which in the end made him very unpopular, he has now left for a fairly high up position in Unite and i won't be divulging his name.