Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:00 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

Depends if it's Nigel Hawthorne or Sir Humphrey Appleby.

How so?

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:00 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

No.

The Christian viewpoint is a minority opinion, opposition to gay marriage is a majority opinion. Not all people who oppose gay marriage do so on religious grounds, though a great deal of Muslims and Jews have supported our campaign.

Do you have anything to back this ludicrous claim up? I would have thought that the reaction that you've had on this thread would show that it's actually you that's in the minority?

Let me guess "The thousands of other users on here that support me don't want to be ridiculed and are thus staying silent'?


Earlier you quoted Genesis to contradict the creation of the Earth. How does the whole 'resting on the sabbath' bit fit in with being an RL fan, a sport that has been played on the Sabbath for many years? Does it not make you somewhat hypocritical?

Finally, you ask that people should show you when you have sinned.

We've been telling you for the last 15 pages that you're sinning. If homosexual marriages are such a crime in the eyes of the non-existent creator, then why hasn't he done something about it? Perhaps you're the sinner, but too proud to accept it?

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:11 am  

Scooter Nik wrote:

Do you have anything to back this ludicrous claim up? I would have thought that the reaction that you've had on this thread would show that it's actually you that's in the minority?

Let me guess "The thousands of other users on here that support me don't want to be ridiculed and are thus staying silent'?

I've worked closely on the campaign and it has great support amongst a diverse range of people.

Scooter Nik wrote:

Earlier you quoted Genesis to contradict the creation of the Earth. How does the whole 'resting on the sabbath' bit fit in with being an RL fan, a sport that has been played on the Sabbath for many years? Does it not make you somewhat hypocritical?

What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Mark 2:27


He said that Sabbath observance was not a duty that mankind owed to God. Rather, God made the Sabbath as a day of rest for mankind's benefit. If mankind wishes to use this day to play, coach or enjoy rugby league then that is their prerogative. I go to church on Sundays but I also enjoy the odd game of RL. There is nothing hypocritical about that.

Scooter Nik wrote:

Finally, you ask that people should show you when you have sinned.

We've been telling you for the last 15 pages that you're sinning. If homosexual marriages are such a crime in the eyes of the non-existent creator, then why hasn't he done something about it? Perhaps you're the sinner, but too proud to accept it?

I am a sinner, though I'm not quite sure where I have sinned on these pages.

The Lord will do something about all sinners when their time comes.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:11 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

I am commanded to. Matthew 28:18-20.

...now what is that phrase..something to do with heads and ovens...

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:19 am  

I didn't know such bat poop lunacy still really existed.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:25 am  

kirkstaller wrote:

I do not expect support...

Ah. You're just posting here so that you can feel like a martyr.

How very quaint.

kirkstaller wrote:

... The Christian viewpoint is a minority opinion...

This is disingenuous BS.

Not all Christians have the same opinion ("viewpoint") on this issue (or many other issues). You can like that or not, but it doesn't change the fact that this is the reality.

Your comments about the OT are nonsense and also disingenuous. That's your god who thought that rape was acceptable; that a rape victim should be made to marry the rapist – or be murdered if she hadn't screamed loudly enough. Etc etc ad nauseum ad infinitum.

That is your god.

It's your god who thought that the best man in Sodom & Gomorrah – and the only one worth saving – was the one who offered his daughters to be gang raped.

That's your god who thought that it would be fun to have a bet with the devil about whether Job was faithful – and allow countless people to suffer and die in the process of playing this game: a bet based purely on pride.

It doesn't matter whether OT law applies to every Christian or not or anyone now – that's the god that you believe in a god who orders rape and murder; who will kill babies; who will order his servants to sacrifice their own child.

A god who would happily send his own son to be tortured and killed – and since the Judeo-Christian god is omnipotent and omnipresent and omniscient, then that god created the world knowing absolutely everything that would happen, ever – and continued to design and create the world in that manner.

So in your god's world there is no such thing as 'free choice' – because something that is known and was thus pre-ordained cannot be a choice.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But let us be quite clear that that is the nature of the god that you not only believe in, but worship.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 10:41 am  

Scooter Nik wrote:

Earlier you quoted Genesis to contradict the creation of the Earth. How does the whole 'resting on the sabbath' bit fit in with being an RL fan, a sport that has been played on the Sabbath for many years? Does it not make you somewhat hypocritical?

Oh come on, the bible is a pick and mix affair, those bits that don't fit can be ignored, the ones that fit with a persons own bigotry can be blow up into huge points.

Dear Christian, please don't confuse persecution and attacks with not always getting your own way.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 11:24 am  

Standee wrote:

I didn't know such bat poop lunacy still really existed.

I've been waiting for you to see this thread Standee and Minty I've even held off using your favourite name for god

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 11:28 am  

Still not convinced he's not a troll...

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 11:29 am  

Hull White Star wrote:

I've been waiting for you to see this thread Standee and Minty I've even held off using your favourite name for god

Mintball can claim credit for the Sky Pixie!!

What amazes me, probably more than anything, is that kirkstaller is moaning being "attacked" when (his?) views are so abhorrent and totally against what we are told the ethos of religion is, maybe one should only turn the other cheeks when your doing unto others what your neighbour might like?

Anyway, must dash, neighbour's bought a new oxen that I haven't coveted yet.

lunatics the lot of them.