Re: Lest we forget : Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:52 pm  

SmokeyTA wrote: Snip He is another simplified explanation of the changing 'borders' of Israel Palestine: Changing map of Israel and the Palestinian territories And in reference to your observation regarding the "Jewish land" and "Israel Land", this terminology is entirely correct as the first 2 maps refer to pre-1948 borders when the areas under the proposed UN partition were referred to as "Jewish State" and "Arab State". The second 2 maps provided by Cod'ead refer to the land and borders after the creation of the state of Israel. In actual fact, the key error in the maps is act of referring to 'Palestine' which technically has never existed as a State or Country, it has only existed as a Provinces within the borders of Jordan and Egypt and before that a protectorate under the British Mandate Trans-Jordan and Palestine (the Golan heights are technically Syrian land) With relation to the interchange of Jewish and Israeli. The State of Israel was established and recognised by the UN to provide a 'home' for 'the Jewish people'. It was never established as a 'Jewish State' and there has never been a restriction on non Jews living in Israel (hold fire on the post 1948 and 1967 refugees). That said, in order to emigrate to Israel and become an Israeli one must be a practising Jew and (or?) of Jewish decent (principally the offspring of a Jewish mother). More recently, Israel has been seeking to be recognised as the "Jewish State of Israel" and frequently refers to itself as such. One of a number of provisions that the Israeli government wishes to introduce is a requirement for all Israeli passport holders and citizens to swear allegiance to "The Jewish State of Israel". Clearly, and arguably understandably, the "1948 Arabs" have issue with swearing allegiance to a Jewish State (there are a number of significant other issues regarding citizenship for 1948 Arabs including requirement to conduct National Service etc but there are too many to discuss here). Hope that helps

SmokeyTA wrote: Snip He is another simplified explanation of the changing 'borders' of Israel Palestine: Changing map of Israel and the Palestinian territories And in reference to your observation regarding the "Jewish land" and "Israel Land", this terminology is entirely correct as the first 2 maps refer to pre-1948 borders when the areas under the proposed UN partition were referred to as "Jewish State" and "Arab State". The second 2 maps provided by Cod'ead refer to the land and borders after the creation of the state of Israel. In actual fact, the key error in the maps is act of referring to 'Palestine' which technically has never existed as a State or Country, it has only existed as a Provinces within the borders of Jordan and Egypt and before that a protectorate under the British Mandate Trans-Jordan and Palestine (the Golan heights are technically Syrian land) With relation to the interchange of Jewish and Israeli. The State of Israel was established and recognised by the UN to provide a 'home' for 'the Jewish people'. It was never established as a 'Jewish State' and there has never been a restriction on non Jews living in Israel (hold fire on the post 1948 and 1967 refugees). That said, in order to emigrate to Israel and become an Israeli one must be a practising Jew and (or?) of Jewish decent (principally the offspring of a Jewish mother). More recently, Israel has been seeking to be recognised as the "Jewish State of Israel" and frequently refers to itself as such. One of a number of provisions that the Israeli government wishes to introduce is a requirement for all Israeli passport holders and citizens to swear allegiance to "The Jewish State of Israel". Clearly, and arguably understandably, the "1948 Arabs" have issue with swearing allegiance to a Jewish State (there are a number of significant other issues regarding citizenship for 1948 Arabs including requirement to conduct National Service etc but there are too many to discuss here). Hope that helps

Re: Lest we forget : Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:53 pm  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orrow.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... orrow.html

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:02 am  

Starbug wrote:

And you and Hamas believe shooting rockets into Israel will prevent this?

No, at least not directly.
What I am saying is that, if I were a Palestinian in Gaza, where Israel has largely destroyed the local economy, killed thousands, and is limiting imports of basic essentials such as medical supplies and food, and I can see my fellows in the West Bank being more and more displaced by Israel as "settlements" push further and further Eastwards, I'd be tempted to hit back.
What does Israel expect? That Gazans will shrug and go along with whatever they say?

[Durham Giant]

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:15 am  

Lest we forget the 400 palestinian children shot dead by IDF snipers . All shot through the head. http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_ ... 3f1CdDU5Ck http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/ju ... lestinians http://www.duncanmcfarlane.org/Israel-P ... errorists/ LOve the storty aboyt the Israeli officer who shoots a 12 year old girl twice. When she is lying on the floor he then approaches her and fires the rest of his clip into her body on the ground. Some of his soldiers are so appalled they report him to their superiors. He is acquitted of murder, sentenced to 45 days and stripped of his command in the unit because he has lost the confidence of his men. Palestinian lives are very cheap. Still that is what happens when the untermensch become the master race and find their own untermensch

Lest we forget the 400 palestinian children shot dead by IDF snipers . All shot through the head. http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_ ... 3f1CdDU5Ck http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2005/ju ... lestinians http://www.duncanmcfarlane.org/Israel-P ... errorists/ LOve the storty aboyt the Israeli officer who shoots a 12 year old girl twice. When she is lying on the floor he then approaches her and fires the rest of his clip into her body on the ground. Some of his soldiers are so appalled they report him to their superiors. He is acquitted of murder, sentenced to 45 days and stripped of his command in the unit because he has lost the confidence of his men. Palestinian lives are very cheap. Still that is what happens when the untermensch become the master race and find their own untermensch

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:22 am  

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:35 am  

SmokeyTA wrote:

... The post was in response to a specific post which showed Jewish settlements and equated them with Israel...

I continue to equate them with Israel because they are Israeli-occupied settlements, Israeli state-financed and Israeli state-protected.
It sems as though you are making out that they are merely Jewish people who happen to live in Palestine, I am saying this is not the case, they may well be Jewish (in fact almost certainly are Jewish) but that is not the point, it is Israeli-state-sponsored invasion.

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 10:24 am  

lovely people ,just the sort of neighbours we would all want to have, eh?

lovely people ,just the sort of neighbours we would all want to have, eh?

[Durham Giant]

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 11:07 am  

rumpelstiltskin wrote: lovely people ,just the sort of neighbours we would all want to have, eh? Yes much better to shoot them like the israelis do.

rumpelstiltskin wrote: lovely people ,just the sort of neighbours we would all want to have, eh? Yes much better to shoot them like the israelis do.

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:54 pm  

WIZEB wrote:

My mind must be playing tricks on me, but according to most news reports rockets came from Gaza FIRST and continue to be fired into populated areas of Israel, you cannot blame Israel for having better technology, unless of course you feel a dead Jewish kid is not as important than a dead Arab kid. I feel for the innocent Palastinians, but they voted these nut jobs in KNOWING what they would do. If my neighbour kept throwing stones into my garden when my grandkids were in it, I would sooner or later jump over the fence and knock the crap out of him.

Re: Lest we forget : Wed Nov 21, 2012 4:00 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

I continue to equate them with Israel because they are Israeli-occupied settlements, Israeli state-financed and Israeli state-protected.
It sems as though you are making out that they are merely Jewish people who happen to live in Palestine, I am saying this is not the case, they may well be Jewish (in fact almost certainly are Jewish) but that is not the point, it is Israeli-state-sponsored invasion.

Nope, that would be impossible, they predated the creation of Israel.