Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:23 pm  

Lord Elpers wrote:

The argument that the 800,000 Scots living outside Scotland should allowed to vote was opposed by the Salmond led Scottish Government.

So it would appear that not only have you not listened to Salmond but you have not listened to Cameron either! No wonder you are confused.

So Cameron is so useless he couldn't even win that debate with Salmond? And yet Scotland are supposed to be better off as a junior party in a union led by Cameron?

I've made it completely clear that my interest in politics is close to zero. This is virtually the first vote that I've even mustered any interest in whatsoever. My view is very simplistic - I would hope that an independent Scotland could govern itself better as a far more socialist country than England and show that a fairer country could work fundamentally better than the way the UK is run now.

IMO rather than operate a post-union UK by doing what is best for the UK and best for our newly independent neighbours, we will instead act all butthurt because the Scots have had the temerity of going it alone.

I still think that Scots born residents of England will still be accepted as UK citizens. It is not their fault if Scotland choose independence, it is mainly the fault of Cameron that he couldn't win them their right to vote. His failure should mean that he holds up his hands and accepts Scots born people as being part of the UK. As I said, the notion that these people will be stripped of the right to live and work in England if Scotland splits is just English based scare-mongering. It's not going to happen but it's just one of the very male arguments to try and get the Scots to vote no.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:27 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

It's not Scotland's debt, it's the UKs debt.

Salmond's saying that if the UK allows Scotland to use the pound then it will acknowledge their share of the UK debt and pledge to repay it. If England takes its bat and ball home because it's butthurt then he'll just say the UK can keep its own debts.

If the UK is going to start defaulting on its debts just because little Scotland's left it then no wonder the Scots want out.

The gold reserves are assets and there probably is some spare cash held by the government. But the currency is really only an intangible asset rather like a brand. Sterling itself doesn't have any intrinsic value just sterling denominated assets. The real value is in the guarantees put up by the government and the B of E.

The national debt is about £1.3 trillion. The value of all of the financial assets wouldn't remotely approach that value. The gold reserves are valued at about £11b.

When Salmond says that he wont accept a share of the national debt its akin to Joe Public defaulting on his £150,000 mortgage and offering up the contents of his current account in exchange.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 6:37 pm  

Cibaman wrote:

When Salmond says that he wont accept a share of the national debt its akin to Joe Public defaulting on his £150,000 mortgage and offering up the contents of his current account in exchange.

IMO it's more like Scotland living in a home but not being named on the mortgage. They assumed part of repaying the mortgage because they were living there. But now that a divorce is taking place the person named on the mortgage is being a penis over other issues so Scotland is saying that if they're acting like a penis over issues that they will be a penis over the mortage too.

I don't believe it is in the UKs interest for Scotland to have to go their own way with a new currency if they split. I think that is a way of trying to force the Scots to stay in the union.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:15 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

IMO rather than operate a post-union UK by doing what is best for the UK and best for our newly independent neighbours, we will instead act all butthurt because the Scots have had the temerity of going it alone.

Why should we do anything to aid Scotland if they vote to go it alone??..... They will be no more worthy of any help than any other foreign country.

We should actually do what is best for what is left of the Union, and if that involves leaving Scotland in the mire, then that's how it should be - Let's face it, they've had plenty of help over the last few years, with free prescriptions and free university education (You can't tell me they have achieved that by Salmond's wonderful abilities to run a budget). It will be interesting to see how Scotland maintain those sorts of policies without first increasing the tax burden on ordinary working Scots.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:16 pm  

Thinking about it I can fully understand why an awful lot of Scottish folk want out of the U.K. We are a nation being shat upon from a great height by the politicians, banksters and spivs who run our country. The City of London is a cesspit of global financial fraud and a casino where these financial warlords gamble other people’s pensions and savings, awarding themselves huge bonuses when they win but when they lose passing on the losses to the taxpayer. Then their political cronies use these bailouts as an excuse to force austerity upon the masses and slash the Government spending on the poor and needy. The press as defenders of their corporate masters are always there to defend this bull***, finding convenient scapegoats for us to vent our anger upon. The financial complexities of a flawed, utterly corrupt and fraudulent global financial system are hard to understand but we can see its consequences all around, pay freezes, job insecurity, inflation (or ‘stealth-flation’ where the price doesn’t increase but the product is stealthily reduced in size and weight). Then as icing on the cake we find out that The Establishment are not only greedy self serving barstewards but also include many paedophiles whose crimes have been covered up to protect the status quo. If you were actually given an opportunity to break away from this kind of bull**** and the chance to try and build something better wouldn't you jump at the chance?

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:20 pm  

LeighGionaire wrote:

Thinking about it I can fully understand why an awful lot of Scottish folk want out of the U.K. We are a nation being shat upon from a great height by the politicians, banksters and spivs who run our country. The City of London is a cesspit of global financial fraud and a casino where these financial warlords gamble other people’s pensions and savings, awarding themselves huge bonuses when they win but when they lose passing on the losses to the taxpayer. Then their political cronies use these bailouts as an excuse to force austerity upon the masses and slash the Government spending on the poor and needy. The press as defenders of their corporate masters are always there to defend this bull***, finding convenient scapegoats for us to vent our anger upon. The financial complexities of a flawed, utterly corrupt and fraudulent global financial system are hard to understand but we can see its consequences all around, pay freezes, job insecurity, inflation (or ‘stealth-flation’ where the price doesn’t increase but the product is stealthily reduced in size and weight). Then as icing on the cake we find out that The Establishment are not only greedy self serving barstewards but also include many paedophiles whose crimes have been covered up to protect the status quo. If you were actually given an opportunity to break away from this kind of bull**** and the chance to try and build something better wouldn't you jump at the chance?

I'd agree with this whole-heartedly, if it wasn't for the fact that Salmond is planning to leave the Union, only to cosy up with the even more corrupt European Union.....

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:25 pm  

LeighGionaire wrote:

Thinking about it I can fully understand why an awful lot of Scottish folk want out of the U.K. We are a nation being shat upon from a great height by the politicians, banksters and spivs who run our country. The City of London is a cesspit of global financial fraud and a casino where these financial warlords gamble other people’s pensions and savings, awarding themselves huge bonuses when they win but when they lose passing on the losses to the taxpayer. Then their political cronies use these bailouts as an excuse to force austerity upon the masses and slash the Government spending on the poor and needy. The press as defenders of their corporate masters are always there to defend this bull***, finding convenient scapegoats for us to vent our anger upon. The financial complexities of a flawed, utterly corrupt and fraudulent global financial system are hard to understand but we can see its consequences all around, pay freezes, job insecurity, inflation (or ‘stealth-flation’ where the price doesn’t increase but the product is stealthily reduced in size and weight). Then as icing on the cake we find out that The Establishment are not only greedy self serving barstewards but also include many paedophiles whose crimes have been covered up to protect the status quo. If you were actually given an opportunity to break away from this kind of bull**** and the chance to try and build something better wouldn't you jump at the chance?

It was the Scottish based banks that got us in the mire!

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:28 pm  

Lord God Jose Mourinho wrote:

It just seems the English are really, really scared of Scotland voting for independence and I don't really get why. They are a small country of 5m people and a fraction of the UK economy. The way the English politicians say that Scotland can't survive by themselves as though they are a basket case, but if they were such a basket case then surely we'd be happy to see the back of them.

I agree with you on this and my own opinion is they fear a financial meltdown in the City of London if the vote is YES.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 9:31 pm  

This could really damage the whole of the UK. A large part of our wealth is based on our safe-haven status for global investors. They key thing that underpins that is our long-term political stability. This vote is, and if "Yes" undermines that. We could all end up in the mire. But, Scotland will depopulate within a generation if they vote yes. Pieces will increase significantly, property will lose value, thousands of jobs will be lost, taxes will rise and / or public services will be cut massively, etc.

Re: Scottish Referendum : Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:05 pm  

Dita's Slot Meter wrote:

I'd agree with this whole-heartedly, if it wasn't for the fact that Salmond is planning to leave the Union, only to cosy up with the even more corrupt European Union.....

I know, the mind boggles!