Re: Ukraine : Fri Mar 04, 2022 11:24 pm  

Just a little snapshot for the people who laughably and ignorantly claim the UK has been taking a leading role in dealing this crisis. This alone sums up why the UK is increasingly marginalised and voiceless on the world stage - we have less influence because of Brexit and we have less credibility because the people currently running the country have lined their pockets with roubles for decades now - and everyone else in the world knows it. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... bp24yGRCUg

Just a little snapshot for the people who laughably and ignorantly claim the UK has been taking a leading role in dealing this crisis. This alone sums up why the UK is increasingly marginalised and voiceless on the world stage - we have less influence because of Brexit and we have less credibility because the people currently running the country have lined their pockets with roubles for decades now - and everyone else in the world knows it. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... bp24yGRCUg

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 7:44 am  

The Ghost of '99 wrote: Just a little snapshot for the people who laughably and ignorantly claim the UK has been taking a leading role in dealing this crisis. This alone sums up why the UK is increasingly marginalised and voiceless on the world stage - we have less influence because of Brexit and we have less credibility because the people currently running the country have lined their pockets with roubles for decades now - and everyone else in the world knows it. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... bp24yGRCUg Given that the European Union is made up of 27 different Countries it's hardly surprising they have taken the leading roll in sanctioning the Russians, also on the list is the second and third biggest countries in the world Canada and the USA, as well as Australia the 6th biggest biggest country, do you genuinely believe we as a nation can compete with these countries, or is your chart in place specifically to make the country look bad.

The Ghost of '99 wrote: Just a little snapshot for the people who laughably and ignorantly claim the UK has been taking a leading role in dealing this crisis. This alone sums up why the UK is increasingly marginalised and voiceless on the world stage - we have less influence because of Brexit and we have less credibility because the people currently running the country have lined their pockets with roubles for decades now - and everyone else in the world knows it. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... bp24yGRCUg Given that the European Union is made up of 27 different Countries it's hardly surprising they have taken the leading roll in sanctioning the Russians, also on the list is the second and third biggest countries in the world Canada and the USA, as well as Australia the 6th biggest biggest country, do you genuinely believe we as a nation can compete with these countries, or is your chart in place specifically to make the country look bad.

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 8:15 am  

The Russian government deny targeting civilians yet there is an inexhaustible supply of verified video footage of them doing just that. Yet, traitors continue to complain that shutting out Russian state propaganda is an attack on free speech and denies them the “truth”. They want locking up in internment camps.

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 10:00 am  

chissitt wrote:

Given that the European Union is made up of 27 different Countries it's hardly surprising they have taken the leading roll in sanctioning the Russians, also on the list is the second and third biggest countries in the world Canada and the USA, as well as Australia the 6th biggest
biggest country, do you genuinely believe we as a nation can compete with these countries, or is your chart in place specifically to make the country look bad.

Are you seriously suggesting that the size of a country makes any difference to whether you apply sanctions or not? Why are Australia and Canada, with much smaller populations, so high on the chart by this silly metric?

It's also incomprehensible to suggest that anyone is "competing" to impose sanctions. It's either something you do, because it's the right thing to do, or something you don't do.

And if you're a weak, compromised government of a country which has become reliant on Russian money and whose standing is already massively eroded then perhaps that explains the UK's embarrassing, and internationally ridiculed, lack of action.

I do note you acknowledge the power of the noticably united EU coming together as one of the leading voices in this. At least that bit, and how important the EU is in maintaining peace and stability and influence, finally seems to be sinking in.

[Mild Rover]

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:19 pm  

chissitt wrote:

Given that the European Union is made up of 27 different Countries it's hardly surprising they have taken the leading roll in sanctioning the Russians, also on the list is the second and third biggest countries in the world Canada and the USA, as well as Australia the 6th biggest
biggest country, do you genuinely believe we as a nation can compete with these countries, or is your chart in place specifically to make the country look bad.

Wind-up, yeah?

I know you know that isn’t how numbers work.

Tbf, I want to be careful about giving the tweeted data to much credence without looking into it further, but if we take it at face value the land mass of Canada and Australia isn’t very relevant. I also assume they’re not counting each EU-sanctioned entity 27 times (if they are, that is dumb - 490 isn’t divisible by 27, I just checked).

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 1:59 pm  

The Ghost of '99 wrote: Just a little snapshot for the people who laughably and ignorantly claim the UK has been taking a leading role in dealing this crisis. This alone sums up why the UK is increasingly marginalised and voiceless on the world stage - we have less influence because of Brexit and we have less credibility because the people currently running the country have lined their pockets with roubles for decades now - and everyone else in the world knows it. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... bp24yGRCUg Didn't Bloomberg remove this chart within 48 hours as it"inaccurately described UK sanctions" ?

The Ghost of '99 wrote: Just a little snapshot for the people who laughably and ignorantly claim the UK has been taking a leading role in dealing this crisis. This alone sums up why the UK is increasingly marginalised and voiceless on the world stage - we have less influence because of Brexit and we have less credibility because the people currently running the country have lined their pockets with roubles for decades now - and everyone else in the world knows it. https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/ ... bp24yGRCUg Didn't Bloomberg remove this chart within 48 hours as it"inaccurately described UK sanctions" ?

[Mild Rover]

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 2:14 pm  

The UK figure does look low compared with info included in this earlier Bloomberg report. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... eu-and-u-k Edit: still chucks up that same graphic with the link for some reason though.

The UK figure does look low compared with info included in this earlier Bloomberg report. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... eu-and-u-k Edit: still chucks up that same graphic with the link for some reason though.

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 9:11 pm  

Of course the uk is behind the curve when it comes to sanctions because you know, Boris the buffoon and his mates have been taking backhanders from Russia for Years. They don’t want to rock the gravy train, even when innocent kids are dying. It’s not different to the tories selling arms that are used to kill innocent people in Yemen. It’s all about the money!

Re: Ukraine : Sat Mar 05, 2022 11:54 pm  

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote: Of course the uk is behind the curve when it comes to sanctions because you know, Boris the buffoon and his mates have been taking backhanders from Russia for Years. They don’t want to rock the gravy train, even when innocent kids are dying. It’s not different to the tories selling arms that are used to kill innocent people in Yemen. It’s all about the money! It is all about the money, but this isn't and hasn't just been a Tory problem. https://gsdrc.org/document-library/the- ... s-exports/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 07793.html

TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote: Of course the uk is behind the curve when it comes to sanctions because you know, Boris the buffoon and his mates have been taking backhanders from Russia for Years. They don’t want to rock the gravy train, even when innocent kids are dying. It’s not different to the tories selling arms that are used to kill innocent people in Yemen. It’s all about the money! It is all about the money, but this isn't and hasn't just been a Tory problem. https://gsdrc.org/document-library/the- ... s-exports/ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 07793.html

[Mild Rover]

Re: Ukraine : Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:42 am  

TURFEDOUT wrote:

It is all about the money, but this isn't and hasn't just been a Tory problem.

I think this demonstrates one of my biggest fears about this government. That the new poop gets stirred in with the old poop and then normalised as all ‘just poop’. That the degradation and corruption of our already imperfect politics becomes permanent or even that merely reverting to only the old failings looks like progress. There is an urgent need for Johnson’s style of politics and method of government to fail and be seen to fail, to borrow a phrase he has himself been using.