Re: Boris Johnson : Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:20 pm  

wrencat1873 wrote:

Labour, right now are screwed and assuming that Brexit happens (I'm not convinced), the Tories, with the Brexit party surplus to requirements, will very likely gain an overall majority.
They have stolen a march on Labour with their (wild) spending promises on the NHS and Police and are most likely to be the largest party in Westminster.
Labour "may" be able to do a deal with the SNP to sneak into power but, they are all over the place with their messaging and IMO have been for some little while.

I agree about Brexit - what will be interesting is if the deal goes through will Labour agree to a GE as they said they would i.e. no risk of no deal then happy for a GE!!

Only way they do a deal with the SNP is offer a referendum - Corbyn has said no - if Scotland goes you will never see another Labour government for many many years

Re: Boris Johnson : Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:24 pm  

It pains me to think that people will continue voting for a party which has caused so much suffering over the last 9 years, headed by a leader that most people acknowledge as being a serial liar.

Re: Boris Johnson : Sun Oct 20, 2019 2:49 pm  

silver2 wrote:

It pains me to think that people will continue voting for a party which has caused so much suffering over the last 9 years, headed by a leader that most people acknowledge as being a serial liar.

They inherited a complete mess from Brown, Cooper, Balls etc what did you expect them to do?

Most people will have seen their standard of living remain flat if not improve - interest rates are at an historic low and we are country with significant personal debt so most are able to borrow to invest at cheap rates.

The alternative is seriously unpalatable and would leave the country in the same state the last Labour government handed over to the Tories.

Johnson is like all other politicians they never tell the truth - Starmer on Marr this morning refuses to comit Labour to a vote of no confidence if a no deal Brexit is secured - despite asking for a GE and definitely stating they would do it. Why would you trust Labour?

Re: Boris Johnson : Sun Oct 20, 2019 6:58 pm  

Sal Paradise wrote:

They inherited a complete mess from Brown, Cooper, Balls etc what did you expect them to do?

Most people will have seen their standard of living remain flat if not improve - interest rates are at an historic low and we are country with significant personal debt so most are able to borrow to invest at cheap rates.

The alternative is seriously unpalatable and would leave the country in the same state the last Labour government handed over to the Tories.

Johnson is like all other politicians they never tell the truth - Starmer on Marr this morning refuses to comit Labour to a vote of no confidence if a no deal Brexit is secured - despite asking for a GE and definitely stating they would do it. Why would you trust Labour?

If you read the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc it's easy to believe that the banking crisis of 2008 was caused by Labour. However, a little research on the internet tells a very different story.

9 years of austerity have been the result. Do you remember Cameron saying 'were all in this together'. Well, I'm sorry but you dont see many posh lads sleeping on the streets or going to food banks.

As for Kier Starmer on Marr, I believe he was non committal because as he said, it was a decision for Jeremy Corbyn not himself - and to me that sounds reasonable. It's much better that the leader makes that type of decision - I mean you wouldn't want to leave it to a non elected backroom boy such as Cummings would you?

Re: Boris Johnson : Sun Oct 20, 2019 10:08 pm  

silver2 wrote:

If you read the Daily Mail, Telegraph etc it's easy to believe that the banking crisis of 2008 was caused by Labour. However, a little research on the internet tells a very different story.

9 years of austerity have been the result. Do you remember Cameron saying 'were all in this together'. Well, I'm sorry but you dont see many posh lads sleeping on the streets or going to food banks.

Most sensible people accept the crisis of 2007/8 was not down to Labour, but of course in a debate it makes good ammunition.

Question: do you think the Tories implemented austerity just because they wanted to? Just because they could? Because they're the 'nasty party'? As a right larf?

Austerity was always going to be a hugely damaging policy which would lose them votes and create an enormous amount of ill-feeling and political ammunition. So why would any party choose this path? Interesting to note that 2 general elections later they're still in government (note I didn't say 'in power').

So, why do you think they did it?

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 21, 2019 3:32 pm  

Cronus wrote:

Most sensible people accept the crisis of 2007/8 was not down to Labour, but of course in a debate it makes good ammunition.

Question: do you think the Tories implemented austerity just because they wanted to? Just because they could? Because they're the 'nasty party'? As a right larf?

Austerity was always going to be a hugely damaging policy which would lose them votes and create an enormous amount of ill-feeling and political ammunition. So why would any party choose this path? Interesting to note that 2 general elections later they're still in government (note I didn't say 'in power').

So, why do you think they did it?

It's an interesting question regarding austerity and whilst there is little doubt that the public purse needed tightening, whether the cuts were needed for as long and whether they needed to be as deep, is certainly a matter of opinion.
Certainly regarding law and order, there has been the sharpest of all changes of tack since Boris took the reigns, although he is prone to huge exaggeration and despite his "commitment", it's unlikely that we will see the increased numbers in anything like the timescale in which they have been promised and yet again, his words are designed to buy votes, rather than what will actually happen - he is gaining something of a reputation in his words massively exceeding his deeds.
It would be refreshing is just some of our politicians we a little more honest.
Mrs May insistant that the reduction in policing numbers had nothing to do with the increase in certain types of crime and yet, her successor, instantly promises to replace (and increase) the 18,000 lost police during the austerity period.
It would appear that the previous Prime Minister or the current version (or both) were wrong ?

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 21, 2019 5:57 pm  

If austerity had been introduced by a socialist government I would've had more faith in the reasoning behind it. Likewise Brexit. If the Tory cabinet didnt contain so many privileged chancers and liars then I might, just might, believe it was a good idea.

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 21, 2019 7:04 pm  

silver2 wrote:

If austerity had been introduced by a socialist government I would've had more faith in the reasoning behind it. Likewise Brexit. If the Tory cabinet didnt contain so many privileged chancers and liars then I might, just might, believe it was a good idea.

Did the working class people of the UK not vote for Brexit rather than the Tory cabinet

Re: Boris Johnson : Mon Oct 21, 2019 8:10 pm  

ColD wrote:

Did the working class people of the UK not vote for Brexit rather than the Tory cabinet

Yes, the same people who are targetted by right wing rags such as the Sun, the Express and the Mail. If you're given the wrong "facts" the chances are you'll make the wrong decisions.

Re: Boris Johnson : Tue Oct 22, 2019 11:57 am  

silver2 wrote:

Yes, the same people who are targetted by right wing rags such as the Sun, the Express and the Mail. If you're given the wrong "facts" the chances are you'll make the wrong decisions.

Not that again - there were as many lies on the remain side as the leave side.