Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:30 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I only wanted to promote my campign, not get dragged into a debate.

But as I said, in the spirit of what Jesus allegedly said (love one another as I have loved you) it is a spiteful, bigoted, hateful campaign against something that will have no effect on your marriage, my marriage or anyone else's marriage. In the current world political and social climate it is an irrelevance.

The fact that you believe that you have the right to interfere in someone else's life says a lot, but when people wish to debate this with you, as is their right when you post something on a public forum, you can't or won't, other than to quote the bible. The real reasons are left unsaid.

I said I was giving up earlier in the thread, but to quote Peter Griffin, this issue, and the response of supposedly "caring" Christians to it, really grinds my gears.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:31 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Sandra The Terrorist wrote:

May I ask why youre persisting in this?

You've promoted your campaign and no doubt got a few click throughs but this all seems to be very much the seed that fell on the rocky ground now.

Perhaps if you feel that you need to preach it might be better to find a more fertile field?

I only wanted to promote my campign, not get dragged into a debate.

However when the questions and false accusations came flying in I considered it my Christian duty to give a reason for the hope that I have. (1 Peter 3:15)

I will no longer contribute to this thread. However if anyone has any serious questions about this campaign or my faith they are free to PM me.

Aw, no, stay. It's nice to see someone lampooning the idiocy of the Christian religion and its followers. Don't give up now.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:33 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I only wanted to promote my campign, not get dragged into a debate.

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But you haven't understood that by promoting your campaign you have to debate it. You are very naive if you thought you could just post a very contraversial opinion and not have anyone question it especially on a rugby league forum full of people who don't give two hoots what the shout on the terraces so aren't going to be silent on such a subject on here.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:33 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I only wanted to promote my campign, not get dragged into a debate.

Quite. You are deaf to anything that does not chime with your brainwash.

kirkstaller wrote:

I will no longer contribute to this thread. ..

Really?

Maybe there is a god.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:38 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I've worked closely on the campaign and it has great support amongst a diverse range of people.

Simple question time: So where are all the signatures to show this? Or is it the same as I've found when petitioning, that people just nod and agree with you so that they don't actually have to spend time talking to you? The rather suspect amount of signatures v unique ISP logins says that there actually isn't that much support.

What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Mark 2:27


He said that Sabbath observance was not a duty that mankind owed to God. Rather, God made the Sabbath as a day of rest for mankind's benefit. If mankind wishes to use this day to play, coach or enjoy rugby league then that is their prerogative. I go to church on Sundays but I also enjoy the odd game of RL. There is nothing hypocritical about that.

Picking and choosing again? Fair enough, it's your big book of fairytales, you do what you want with it. Although some consistency would be nice. BTW, you are basing your beliefs on the original version of the Bible aren't you? It wouldn't do to risk 'lost in translation' type ridicule, would it?

I feel sorry for you in a way, your desperate need to hang onto something so easily discredited as a crutch in your life. Me, I'll stick to the certainties of a happy relationship, a well brought up son, and that the Earth goes round the Sun. I don't need some fictional being to kickstart any of that.

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:43 pm  

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Me? I'd consider any evidence of gods, afterlifes, hells, heavens, whatever, it is just that there is none to consider. And your problem is you would say that there never will or can be, you just "have to believe". Irrational and unscientific beliefs are of no value to me. And there you hit on my favourite little gem when talking to people about religion, ask them at what point they stop telling their kids that a number of "fun but made up beings" don't really exist, and why there's any more or less credible evidence for the existance of one, but not the other. This guy has it right (apologies if YT isn't allowed, I lose track)

Ferocious Aardvark wrote: Me? I'd consider any evidence of gods, afterlifes, hells, heavens, whatever, it is just that there is none to consider. And your problem is you would say that there never will or can be, you just "have to believe". Irrational and unscientific beliefs are of no value to me. And there you hit on my favourite little gem when talking to people about religion, ask them at what point they stop telling their kids that a number of "fun but made up beings" don't really exist, and why there's any more or less credible evidence for the existance of one, but not the other. This guy has it right (apologies if YT isn't allowed, I lose track)

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:47 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

Let me make this clear for you.

The OT contains history, proverbs, wisdom and Mosaic Law.

The Mosaic law never applied to Gentiles, of which I am one.

Therefore, the history, proverbs and wisdom contained in the OT is very much relevant. The Mosaic Law is interesting, but has never applied to me.

So you've cherry picked quotes to fit your agenda.

Sorry i'll rephrase that.

Somebody you've never met has cherry picked quotes to fit his agenda and you, desperate for some meaning in your life, have followed it, without evidence, like a lamb.

All very interested stuff.

A few questions:

Are ALL of the following real:
Zombies (1 Corinthians 15:14-20 + Matthew 27:52-53 + Acts 2:24 + John 6:53)
Witches/wizards and/or sorcerers/sorceresses are real? (Exodus 22:18)
Ghosts [which quite possibly resemble swiss cheese] (hint: Holy Spirit)
Vampires and Flesh-eating Monsters (John 6:53 and 56)
Magic and Miracles and Special Super Powers
Reincarnation (hint: heaven, hell and everlasting life)
Guys who create life-sustaining planets pre-configured with life due to their dirt sniffing habits (Genesis 1:1 onwards)

Should witches be executed? (Exodus 22:18)
Should adulterers and adulteresses be executed? (Leviticus 20:10)
Are witches the daughters of adulterers and prostitutes? (Isaiah 57:3)
Is homosexuality is an abomination? (Leviticus 18:22)
Should ALL homosexuals and black people and atheists should be exterminated from the face of the planet? (Leviticus 20:13)
Are women are worth less than men? (Leviticus 27:3-7)
Are you are allowed to have slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations? (Leviticus 25:44)
It is OK for you to sell your daughter into slavery? (Exodus 21:7)
Are you forbidden from making any form of contact with any women who has a period (Leviticus 15:19-24)
Does Jesus love the smell of burning flesh in the morning? (Leviticus 1:9)
Should people who work on Saturdays be put to death? (Exodus 35:2)
Can the name "God" be used as profanity? (Leviticus 22:32)
Are women forbidden from having braided hair and wearing gold or pearls or expensive clothes? (1 Timothy 2:9)
Are women forbidden from teaching or having authority over men? (1 Timothy 2:12)
Is the name "God" meant to be kept holy, that is, not used as a profanity? (Leviticus 22:32)
Are you forbidden from cross-breeding animals or crops, or even wearing clothes made from two or more different kinds of materials? (Leviticus 19:19)
Are "blasphemers" to be stoned to death by the entire town? (Leviticus 24:10-16)
If somebody buries both a woman and her mother, should he/she be burnt in a fire? (Leviticus 20:14)
If you steal or murder or torture or become a fraud or lie, will you be granted a pass to heaven if you ask for forgiveness? (Mark 3:28-29)
Is it true that God created the blind, dumb and/or deaf people? (Exodus 4:11)
Are handicapped people (as well as those mentioned above) forbidden from entering the kingdom of heaven and god?Are handicapped people (as well as those mentioned above) forbidden to become priests and/or bring offerings to the altar? (Lev.21:17-23)
If you blaspheme, are you doomed for all eternity because you will never be forgiven for that? (Mark 3:28-29)
If your children have been disobedient or rebellious, do you have to drag them into a popular part of town so that you can tell the elders that they are drunk, and that they can get beaten up and stoned to death by the elders? (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Is it true that your god had ordered Moses to stone someone to death for gathering sticks on sabbath? (Numbers 15:32-36)
Is this a valid and perfect ceremony to perform in order to cure (or even after the cure) a person suffering leprosy as performed by a priest in front of the leper (Leviticus 14):
Kill a bird which has been "cleaned"
Dip another "clean" bird in the blood of the bird slaughtered in Step 1
Let it go
Will god give you telekinetic powers if you ask for them with a decent amount of faith? (John 16:24)
Is God so angry that he made/makes women eat their own children? (Lamentations 4:10)
Is the earth flat? (Revelation 7:1)
Is the earth static, i.e. does not move at all? (1 Chronicles 16:30 + Psalm 93:1 + Psalm 96:10 + Psalm 104:5 + Isaiah 45:18)
Is it required for you to eat your children if your god gets mad, which he often does? (Leviticus 26:29)
Can people be magically transformed into kitchen condiments by turning their backs around (Genesis 19:26)
Does God become judgemental when you get angry at your brother? (Matthew 5:22)
Is calling someone a fool punishable by Hell fire? (Matthew 5:22)
If a man rapes a woman then must they be married if the man pays 50 shekels of silver? (Deutoronomy 22:28-29)
Is it God who creates evil? (Isiah 45:7)
Is the old testament still applicable? (Matthew 5:17-20)

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:49 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

What did Jesus say about the Sabbath?

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. Mark 2:27

And I say unto you, "The Sabbath was made for 'double-bubble', for 'tis better to receive twice the going rate than to watcheth sport and Eastenders in thine undercrackers all day".

Anyway if Bill Ward isn't there it isn't really Sabbath to me!

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:51 pm  

Scooter Nik wrote:

I feel sorry for you in a way, your desperate need to hang onto something so easily discredited as a crutch in your life. Me, I'll stick to the certainties of a happy relationship, a well brought up son, and that the Earth goes round the Sun. I don't need some fictional being to kickstart any of that.

Nail on the head the for me. I have to give Kirkstaller some credit for sticking to his guns when we've come at him from all sides, I've learned over the years never faulter in something you believe in, but to just quote from the bible without explaining the parable or passage is just arrogance.

After all these biblical quotes and I'm still none the wiser as to why Kirkstaller is so against gay marriage

Re: Coalition For Marriage : Tue May 15, 2012 1:52 pm  

kirkstaller wrote:

I only wanted to promote my campign, not get dragged into a debate.

However when the questions and false accusations came flying in I considered it my Christian duty to give a reason for the hope that I have. (1 Peter 3:15)

I will no longer contribute to this thread. However if anyone has any serious questions about this campaign or my faith they are free to PM me.

Intellectual cowardice of the highest order.

If you really want to promote something, you need to be able to argue for it coherently and not simply run away when the going gets a little difficult. You need to put a case forward to win an argument.

You have put forward no reason for 'your campaign', other than to spout from an ancient book.

As I suggested, I imagine you'll be able to take this little experience back to your fellow congregants and tell them how you're doing god's word and being mightily abused for it. And they'll shake their heads and applaud your dedication. Which will make you feel warm inside.

And you can imagine that your god – that's the jealous, murdering one you worship – will give you extra brownie points for being such a good follower and enduring so much on his behalf.