Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:49 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Terrible wasn't she.

For those who lived through it, yes.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 7:59 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

and is going to have a state funeral.

I think you may be wrong on that score.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:16 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Erm, no it's not. The debate is how the majority now, not when she was elected consider Thatchers time as prime minister. Geddit?

Have you or have you not been engaging in a debate with El Barbudo about whether or not electoral statistics tell us anything about her popularity?

Ajw71 wrote:

... Funny though, as if she was as bad as you make out, strange how she was elected three times...

She was never elected by a majority of the UK population. This very simple fact seems to be stretching you.

Ajw71 wrote:

Terrible wasn't she.

Let's try again: presumably you applaud the financial situation now?

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:21 am  

Ajw71 wrote:

Erm, no it's not. The debate is how the majority now, not when she was elected consider Thatchers time as prime minister. Geddit?...

Yes, I geddit.
Show me how the majority now think she's "the best".
None of your quoted polls show that.

Actually, don't bother, I have done my best to show you how logic works but it seems that either you can't grasp it, or refuse to admit it, or are just arguing for the sake of it or are just plain trolling.
Whatever, I'm out.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:56 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Yes, I geddit.
Show me how the majority now think she's "the best".
None of your quoted polls show that.

Actually, don't bother, I have done my best to show you how logic works but it seems that either you can't grasp it, or refuse to admit it, or are just arguing for the sake of it or are just plain trolling.
Whatever, I'm out.

It's embarrassing isn't it? I would agree with Mintball's earlier post on the education system but I'm the same age as ajw, so I can't blame that for his ridiculous and increasingly embarrassing posts.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:33 pm  

Him wrote:

It's embarrassing isn't it? I would agree with Mintball's earlier post on the education system but I'm the same age as ajw, so I can't blame that for his ridiculous and increasingly embarrassing posts.

How are my posts embarrassing when the majority of people (including academics who I bet know a tad more than you about the issues) agree with me?

Please provide independent, credible, reliable evidence that shows that she is not one of the best prime minsters the UK has had.

I look forward to your response.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:46 pm  

El Barbudo wrote:

Show me how the majority now think she's "the best".
None of your quoted polls show that.

"In September 2008 the BBC Newsnight programme conducted an online poll. Asking voters to decide who they thought was the greatest"

"In December 1999 a BBC Radio 4 poll of 20 prominent historians, politicians and commentators for The Westminster Hour produced the verdict that Churchill was the best British Prime Minister of the 20th century, with Lloyd George in second place and Clement Attlee in third place"

"In September 2008 the BBC Newsnight programme conducted an online poll. Asking voters to decide who they thought was the greatestand worst of postwar Prime Ministers"

Data from the recent Reuters/Ipsos MORI Political Monitor shows that the two longest serving prime ministers of the last thirty years are also the seen as the most capable

"Greatest", "Best", "Greatest", "Most Capable"

Oh and FYI, I have never maintained she was the best, just one of the best. The polls agree.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:51 pm  

Ajw71 wrote:

Please provide independent, credible, reliable evidence that shows that she is not one of the best prime minsters the UK has had.
...

Well, for a start, York Minster:

Easily a better minster than Thatcher ever was, although sadly it was more attractive to lightning than she.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:55 pm  

If that senile old bitch gets a state funeral when she pops her clogs there'll be riots. Her grave will have to be as heavily protected as Diana's but for entirely different reasons. Find a disused pit shaft (there's plenty around thanks to her) and chuck her down it.

Re: Is our Commie government losing the plot? : Wed Aug 01, 2012 5:59 pm  

Mintball wrote:

Have you or have you not been engaging in a debate with El Barbudo about whether or not electoral statistics tell us anything about her popularity?

No I have been engaging in debate with El Barbudo about whether she is now considered one of the best / greatest prime ministers the UK have seen.

I said the majority agreed with me, as all the polls show.

Then he began to introduce arguments about election results, stating quite correctly that a majority of people never voted for her.

I then stated that using election results adds nothing to your side of the argument because:

1) No PM since 1945 has ever won a majority of voters, so this isn't a point unique to Thatcher therefore cannot be used to determine her greatness.

2)Election results at the time, cannot be used to determine how she is viewed now.

Mintball wrote:

She was never elected by a majority of the UK population. This very simple fact seems to be stretching you.

I have never disputed this. What I have disputed is its relevance to what we are debating.